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Solo Female Traveler's Amazing Experience Exploring Australia in a Converted Van

Updated: Aug 14, 2023

Laura from Germany had always dreamed of traveling around Australia in a converted van but didn't know how to go about buying and building one.

When the COVID-19 pandemic hit and Laura's job was unaffected, she decided to pursue her dream. She discovered the "Adopt a Backpacker" movement in Australia, where Australian families took in stranded backpackers, and she posted on Facebook asking for help with buying and building a van.

A man named David responded, offering to help Laura and let her stay with his family in Brisbane for three weeks.

David's family also gave Laura camping equipment and serviced her car, all without expecting any payment.

Laura was overwhelmed by the kindness and generosity shown to her and considers it one of the most amazing experiences anyone could have.

Laura also talks about the challenges she faced on the road, such as losing her oil cap on a 200-kilometer corrugated road and having her tires worn off.

Despite the challenges, she says she would do it all again because she learned so much and was able to overcome obstacles with the help of others.

The conversation also touches on the generosity of people in Australia, who are always willing to help out travelers in need.

Perye Bentley 0:00

Today we're going to be meeting Kathy Adamson or gypsy calf who has been driving on the road in Boise for about eight years living in her home on wheels converted from a girl's Catholic school bus. We talk about self parking, the changing landscape of Ozzy through the eyes of a roadie, and how being an a nine to five made her feel more isolated and lonelier than she's ever been on the road. And as always, we'd like to thank the sponsor of today's podcast, Dry Flush toilets. If you haven't seen these amazing off grid toilets, you really need to check them out. They're the cleanest, easiest smell free toilet that you've ever seen. And they recently won the Best New camping technology in Australia. No more dumping chemicals or maintaining a composting toilet. Go to to see how they work. Let's get traveling.

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Kathy Adamson 1:22

And the reason I'm actually here was I did a little stealth parking last night. Oh.

Which is no real big deal. I mean, if you're not making a motion in the backside, your vehicle and you're not in anyone's way. I personally don't see why it's a big deal. But everyone has a different opinion.

Perye Bentley 1:41

So this is this is a really cool thing. So today guys, welcome everyone. We've got the awesome Kathy Adamson who has been traveling on the road for is it around about seven years now?

Kathy Adamson 1:54

I think I'm just in my eighth actually. Wow.

Perye Bentley 1:57

And you said something just then, which is really cool. And a lot of people might not know about it, but you've done Delve parking, right? This is a really cool thing because I've seen this on YouTube before where people do this, but can you give a little bit of what what it is?

Kathy Adamson 2:14

In short, it's basically being somewhere that you're not supposed to be you know, and let's be fair if everybody that was living on the road all went to one place and trashed it, which is unfortunately what does happen with some realms of camping or road livers, whatever you want to call it. But you know, it's a case of like last night, and I can actually show you this last night I was actually fortunate enough. Wow. Okay.

Perye Bentley 2:51

Is that on the beachfront? Right? Yeah. Oh, lovely. As you do

Kathy Adamson 2:57

basically all of these every couple of years it turns out that I sort of rotate through Perth WA and West Australia is an amazing state and well worth exploring and adventuring but I think Perth immediate CBD area lack not only caravan parks if the your preference, but there's no way to park up, there's no RV parking, there's no free 24 or 48 hour parking, which allows you to then use the stores, use the service fuel up, stay the night and On you go. So I chose a little place about half an hour or so up the coast of Perth. And it used to be a tiny little parking spot and a boat Marina. And now it is being cultivated to become another huge boat Marina shops, family friendly, and build that so I've been watching them kind of create ground in the ocean where there wasn't any it's quite fascinating. That's really

Perye Bentley 3:59

cool. So and this is used to go to this place like you've been going here continuously every time that you're in Western Australia.

Kathy Adamson 4:07

It's a it's an old romping ground given I was born here and every sentiment to this plot true to you know, history, etc. But yes, it's amazing how when you come back even in a year to some places that change and yet those that are here all the time, really don't see it?

Perye Bentley 4:29

No you don't because obviously every single day you're walking past the same thing you do notice the buildings going up but your brain just kind of switches off from it. Whereas when you're bouncing from place to place you come back and you see that that old mom and pop store has now become a six you know six storey, megaplex or whatever and you're like, Okay, well, this is life now. Hmm. But it that it's not about being sad about that, per se. It's just interesting to take note of what's changing all the time, right?

Kathy Adamson 4:59

Yes. And especially when everyone, like the upper realm of businesses are all screaming for money and screaming that they're not making profit. I'm sure that universally housing is the same language. It's not just us or just Australia, it's universal the housing issue, and then amazes me how every one citizen is no money. But everywhere I go, there are cranes in the city's building. And there is, you know, serious infrastructure being done. So, you know, it's not just that that corner shop may have had a redevelopment in your absence. Like, yesterday, the day before I was driving down a road that I'm quite familiar with. And the entire thing is completely different. There's a freeway that runs under it, there's an overpass that was never there. So it does pay to sort of be vigilant and take notice of changes, we could end up lost during a bagel. Yeah,

Perye Bentley 5:56

yeah. Well, what was so and then let's, let's go back a couple steps. And think, you know,


when and why did you start living off grid like, because I've spoken to Georgia, who's a mutual friend of ours, and she just raved and raved about you and saying, if you want to meet an actual off grid, or go and speak to a cafe, and yeah, I think it'd be really interesting to just unpack your story a bit.

Kathy Adamson 6:25

Oh, well, firstly, that it's really sweet of her. She's now I think, on her big year lap, which kind of makes me laugh when people say I'm taking a year off and we're doing the lab, it's like, well, I thought the lab would take six months or a year. Not that it was my intention. But eight years in to not having a house address is the best gift I could have ever given myself. But before I say anything I do keep in mind, yes, I am single, I have no dependents, I have no partner, I have no animal anymore to be responsible for. So therefore my decisions are they don't affect anybody else. I can change my mind at the whim. But I guess the catalyst was, I was like my servers working seriously anywhere from 12 to 16 hours a day, which was normal. Five to seven days a week, which these days is normal. I was on a very, very good income, I had a beautiful unit full of everything that I could possibly have needed, made sure I've invested in good quality. So I could sort of sit out my latter years because I'm in a few months just turning 60. And I think for me, I know this might sound strange to a lot of people, but little things neglect you. And I can honestly say now, living in my beautiful unit, having my well paid job, I was lonely. Yeah, and more more isolated, then you probably would really concede because for the most part, we think, you know, lots of income gives us lots of freedom, right? But it doesn't because it takes your freedom away to make the income. So I found myself in a spiral, and it didn't matter what I did, I couldn't get out of it. So at the time, I was sitting in my unit, I had unfortunately lost my dearest little furry friend of nine years. And I think I just sat at that point and thought, you know, there's gotta be more to life than working my butt off, paying bills and die. And for me, my my happiest space is in experience. So mundane, regular routine, to the nine to five that we all believe were to do. Just didn't cut it for me. And it didn't matter how much I put into it. It was all sort of coming up empty. So I bought a bus online. I had a scooter packed up my house, I sold and gave away everything cleaned everything up, since six cartons and a scooter from the East Coast to the West Coast, bought a bus online and seen in the West Coast got on a plane. And I don't think I've ever looked back. This is my second bus now but I've never really looked back or regretted one thing

Perye Bentley 9:45

that's a mate and so that the because obviously you just said that the the cycle that people get in is that you think you're making more money but then what happens is that you're spending more money because you've got more money and so you're continuously in this loop of always chasing your own tail. Where, what what you've done is and fantastically a lot of people were starting to wise up to is that, you know, experience is actually more important than living within the confines of a full workplace as I'm doing right now. But I've traveled enough, so I'm okay. And I'm going to get more travel coming, hopefully. But yeah, one thing that really does shine a light is sometimes people have this kind of romantic vision of what traveling is, and that you're always living the life and it's always great. But I'd really like to understand what have been some of the biggest moments that you've gone like back like, what, what am I doing is this, it's not that you don't think this is a right decision. But it's just like, you've been in moments where you're like, I'm not having a good time right now.

Kathy Adamson 10:55

You're exactly right. That's my favorite expression. I meet a lot of people along the way. And I'm still meeting best friends that I didn't know I had. So that in itself is very true. But the people that say to me the comment, like, Oh, you're so lucky. Well, first of all, Luck has nothing to do with it, you know, opportunity equals work. So it did take me a lot of work to get to the road. And they also tend to feel and think that you're living their dream. And my favorite responses, it is simply a choice. You have one programming that you'll believe you're meant to live by. And if you never look outside the square, you're never gonna see opportunities. You know, and that is how it makes but I will tell you a very short story. The first two years I was out and about, I had built my first little bus, which was shorter than this one off, I took from Perth to Darwin, right to be in Darwin for a set time for work. At the time, it was the wet season coming in. Actually, it was round about this time of the year. In February, I hit it up to Darwin. Now don't get me wrong. Anyone who's never traveled in the north of Australia in the wet season. I understand the dangers. I understand them when they're dry season as well. But it is an absolutely magnificent sights and experiences to have that you would never have. But I pulled up in broom on that very first 12 months. I was menopausal hot, flushing stinking hot in the weather. I just come in after a major cyclonic storm in brown. I was sitting in a place that the whole world raves about. Everybody loves. I was right at the ocean view the ocean was out. You know it has amazing history of warships that were bombed there by the Japanese and it was all visual and dinosaur priests in the timeout rock. All amazing, right? You know what I was doing? I was gonna step up my bus with my head in my hand wondering what the hell I thought I was doing. Why on earth did I think this was a great idea. Anyway, right after I had a meltdown, it was actually valentine's day the next day. So I awarded myself and another night in the caravan park for the amenities. And I got talking with a lady who had a nursing background, and there was a really, really another big front coming and she was telling me I should stay put. I was making a decision to do a run up. Which by the way I did do, which by the way, was the best decision. She told me about something called Heat distress, right? We hear about, you know, what's the word when you're overheated? And people have lost the word at the moment. But people suffer from those issues. Well, there's also one that's he distressed and it's really just like your brain goes into a boil, just frazzled because of the heat. And it's just like these little mini breakdowns because you can't think you can't do anything. I mean, I was hydrated and I do all the right things. But I will never forget that point of sitting on the step and the feeling of tears on my cheeks, and then thinking I've just done what I've done. Oh my god. I can honestly say, that's the only moment that I have ever had that has been like that for me.

Perye Bentley 14:58

Did you do you think like you need needed to have that moment though as well, to kind of in that aspect, it's to hit rock bottom. In your mind, you feel as though like, oh my gosh, I can't believe I've done this. And then you go, well, actually, everything's pretty good. I look out my window, there's a beautiful sunset, like coming down. You know, I've met some amazing people last week who have changed my life, who I'm going to keep in contact with all the time. And so it's the flip side of that is that, because I've had the same moment where I was in, I was in a hotel room, in in Thailand, and I'd been there for a long time. And I sitting there with my hands like this literally just gone. Like, I am so lonely right now. And I don't know what to do my family miles miles away. The people that I was hanging out with have literally just gone. And like I felt in myself, like, am I really supposed to be doing this? You know, and then, you know, nine years later, I'm still out in traveling in in Asia. So you know it. I remember that day, like it was yesterday. And I have noticed that ever since then everything has risen up. There have been trials, but it's been a continuous slowly push up button. Like you were saying with the fact that you've got your second bus now as well. Like, you know, you love what you didn't like with your original one, and you've gone No, this one is going to be my home. We're not to say that wasn't, but you made it even more right.

Kathy Adamson 16:25

Now you're exactly right. You're exactly right. And I think those times, it's funny, isn't it, how we call them breakdowns, and we look at it as a low. Because, in hindsight, it's actually a breakthrough. Because for you to genuinely settle into a new life, I know people out there, make decisions, and then create an action, and then follow that through. But there's always a time that like your nervous system, and your body needs to settle in to the realization of what you've chosen. And don't get me wrong, there is ups and downs with every lifestyle. Yeah, when I say RV is as well, if you're in the Nomad, living on the road is very, very different to still having a house, regardless of how long you're out here in your vehicle of whatever. If you have a home base, you psychically have a different way in your head of Bing than if you didn't have it. And the one thing I love about my personal journey is that everyone I meet, we all love the same thing. But we all do it very, very differently. So for me, full time might mean that now and again, for the normal, not that I like that word. But the normal person will round up their day, they genuinely come home, they have a routine, whether it's exercise, gym, kids, whatever it might be, then they're lucky to squeeze in a half an hour to an hour or so of their own time, and you're with a partner, and then you go to bed. Well, in my life, that timeframe might come around that time period, I'm enjoying the sunset somewhere, I'm genuinely enjoying it until it goes dark if I'm not with a friend. And then it's about well, if you're not in a RV parking space, or if you're not checked into a caravan park, you have to think about where you're gonna park to like, don't just go to your room.

Perye Bentley 18:33

No, it's not there. It's in the, it's behind you.

Kathy Adamson 18:38

Yeah, my room right now if I need to, but just in that safe space of being. And if you're an anxious kind of person, if you're somebody who really does not like change, doesn't like things being different to what you're used to being, do not do this, do not invest in a caravan or any vehicle and try it. Because I can tell you, they're not gonna like it.

Perye Bentley 19:07

I think, you know, for people that are anxious, there is a difference between if you're going to be really, really worried about going out and seeing the world versus that feeling you get when you're a little bit nervous because you're going to be doing something new. And it's understanding which one which camp you're in because if you are literally going to be anxious of going out and doing those things 100% It isn't for everyone, even though you will meet some of the best people in the world. You can still meet those lovely people just down down the road and if it means that you're anxious, just step out a small step and say hello to a stranger. That's a good start. Those people that are nervous but are ready to jump further. You know Caffee literally is the point that you need to focus on on hey, you know what, what am I actually getting out of life now and how I can I change it and what was that fear that you had when you first went out there? Like did you feel like oh my gosh, I've let everything go and I'm never going to be able to get that back like was there that that weight of fear initially

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Kathy Adamson 21:10

I guess in the actual decision making process, like you know, I'm I'm giving the job that I was doing was rounding up. I was just finishing up the State Department for that company at the time. I guess the fear is you're saying fear is genuinely of the unknown. And it is quite a natural, normal emotion to pass through. Especially if you're changing anything in your life. And yes, but when I say anxious, I probably should have been more along the lines of the people that are very, very nervous people that do not like being on their own people that feel fearful, because they are isolated to them in a certain space. I've met so many people. And I'm not passing judgment on them. But the thing that goes through my head is I wonder how half of them even got out of the city? Because everything is so huge. Right? overstimulated. Yeah, if you're gonna hear a tweet crack, and you think that it's a, you're now become the victim of a Wolf Creek film, or, you know, all these things that run through the head. To me that's not pleasurable, because you're living on a knife's edge in the way you feel all the time. My only fear, to be honest with you was all based around fuel.

Perye Bentley 22:46

Am I gonna get from A to B?

Kathy Adamson 22:49

Oh, you know, it's been a few years since I've been out on the road. And what had happened out here and how it had been in the last few years for everyone all over the planet has been different. So, you know, a lot of changes occurred in those three years in particular, which I wasn't aware of how that effect had, cause, like my favorite petrol station on the Nullarbor, for instance, was it still there, had the train trade, and had our lock downs? put so much suffering on so many businesses as it did that they've shut now? Are they gone? Which means your 300k is now 600. To fuel. So that was, that was, yeah, for me.

Perye Bentley 23:33

So that was more of a that was more of a recent fear than written in the last few years. Because obviously, with the the pandemic that happened. So yeah. So even though you you had that fear was Did you have any problems during that time? Or under a second note to that as well? You know, what was it was it well, how many what was the change when that happened? Like because obviously, so many people were going to these camping parks and everything like that, and then boom, you know, speaking to a gender called Vince who was in New Zealand, and he said that the camps he went traveling with his family, they, they were pretty much empty, like, you know, it was it was a ghost town.

Kathy Adamson 24:17

I think it depends what part of the drama you were out about. In the beginning, what happened was a lot of parks, all types of parks, they shut everybody in, and it's like the caretaker that you paid your money to. And we'll just say on the show ground. I had an experience in a place called Moray in New South Wales. All right. And even though it was a show ground as such, they shut everyone in and took responsibility to keep those people that were already there say, which meant that they had a completely different way of being with anyone new coming in. Like I did. particular night, I mean, I was isolated under a lamppost down where the cows and stuff go.

Perye Bentley 25:07

So you were like, in your own designated area with the people that are normally

Kathy Adamson 25:11

right away from the people that they had that they felt responsible for. Because the saddest part about that whole COVID thing on the road is that people that traveled on the road were looked at, in the same way that the Aussies had been then looking at

Perye Bentley 25:32

ships. Yep, yep,

Kathy Adamson 25:34

I remember that. So, so the people on the land, I looked at us and so we were getting treated like the ships of the land, I had rocks thrown at my bus in one town in New South Wales. I had that really unbelievably rude person at Maury, but everybody just went off the charts. And even though I keep that in mind, and I understand and still to this day, understand where they thought they were coming from, with what they were provided with. Yeah, but it really, really mucked about someone like me, because all of a sudden, and I'm, I'm not lying when I say I have driven these roads, and at times on this driving along blue skies, the scenery is unforgivingly, incredibly amazing. And you're all in that moment for the freedom, the sense of beauty, your connection to it all. Because I don't have any other demands on me from anywhere else. Really, I have the privilege of really, really living in the present is something I've been working toward for a long time. But those people that kept the policing, shall we say, it was, it was just something in this country I'd never experienced. I refuse to ever personally experience what I did again, and you were shut out. And you would get to this imaginarily imaginary line, and couldn't cross over because all of a sudden, we were states and not countries. Yeah,

Perye Bentley 27:22

it really did cause a fear between people didn't it? There was there was, obviously in Southeast Asia, there was people having issues with foreigners who weren't wearing masks at the time. And same thing that local started getting a bit aggressive and throwing stones, and you start thinking that this this media, you know, whatever you want to call it, this media madness, which has happened, which has caused basically a big split between people. And look, I respect everyone's ability to you know, protect up and everything like that. But the very second that a small thing, like a large thing, but in the mind can cause savagery between human to human, we need to start looking at, you know, individuals are not scary, but groups are there, you know, it's a shame that this happened to you as well, you know, especially when, you know, you're living a life where you're literally bouncing from place to place having the best time and then that sort of thing can happen. And it only takes one person only takes one person.

Kathy Adamson 28:21

Even in that timeframe, though, the thing that I found that amazing for me was the fact that we as nomads are probably subjected to less people and less interaction than the every day. The funny thing was that the every day was turning on us, so to speak as though we were the threat. I mean, I understand where all of that was coming from, I'm not picking on anyone just generically speaking. But for someone who, like myself, you know, there was a lot of things that were also happening within that timeframe in my family. And I was on the East Coast when something happened with my father on the West Coast, and I had to get to him. I hate to say it, but the honest thing is, you know, to a certain degree, we were kind of on suicide, watch me there, because I have phone. But what I had to get to, because there was no plane, which was fortunate for me because I wanted to drive anyway, for me to actually just drive back home 5000 Kay's to get to my dad and help out which most of us wouldn't even have to think about that criteria. And the hoops that had to be jumped through to be able to get that and then of course, you know, everyone has a story. Everyone's got to COVID so it's something I really don't want to have to live through again. No. And I really think that if we were to enter to go down that path with anything again And I think I would seriously now, I would actually bunker down in the places I know around this country where there is plenty of water. I'm always always stopped. It's funny how people think I have to go to a shop every couple of days. No. All right. Well stocked so

Perye Bentley 30:26

that's a really good question. That's a really good question as well as regarding the what what what do you normally stock up on? And how big is your your because you've got a water tank? I'm guessing. Right? So do you normally? You got four? There you go. So can you give a kind of nine years later or eight years later, you've been doing this? You know, what have been the essentials? And what's in your backpack? You know?

Kathy Adamson 30:54

Yeah, that's, that's something that I find really interesting chatting with other varieties about because some of them have this tiny little drawer. I'm not kidding. And it's full of two minute noodles. And then the variation to the two minute noodle is if they're around shops, they might go and get veg to add to it or barbecue chicken or something. Um, I the only thing I am ever in needs is fresh, which is fruit veg? Yeah. You can purchase fruit and veg anywhere really on the road, used to be a lot more of it. And you go seasonal go back to the way it used to be, you know, the apples and the grapes and not in a gas chamber for you to buy more or less 12 months of the year, you can only get them when they're flourishing. And to be honest with you, it's a much better way to live like I get so excited when grapes and stone fruit comes very excited. But I have a pantry which is decent size and it is always fully stocked, I myself would be able to probably feed half a dozen people for you know, three or four months.

Perye Bentley 32:19

So so for you your your main essential, you've got four water tanks, and you've got a pantry that's ready to feed feed an army and that that for you. As long as you've got that and you've got your gas and you've got your your your home on wheels, you're happy as Larry,

Kathy Adamson 32:36

that's pretty much it. I do have about 250 liters of water that I carry. Maybe a bit more. So that's my carrying water, that's potential. So that will do me for showers and dishes and whatever I need for an incredibly long time. And also keep in mind sharing isn't something that's daily. You know, some days it's really not necessary and you're swimming and you with the ocean and there's other access to other things around. So you may not always be pulling on your own resources. Yeah, right. Exactly. I'm an absolute foodie. So yes, I haven't been about always having full freezer, full fridge and full cupboards is it?

Perye Bentley 33:22

So two things here first one is regarding the shower. So do you have like a pullout shower? And then you like have well how do you how does that work?

Kathy Adamson 33:30

I'm just wondering if I can actually just take

Perye Bentley 33:36

a little tour. No, I'd love to personally awesome,

Kathy Adamson 33:38

as I say, but you're gonna have to bear with me because I don't know can I turn this camera around like I do with messenger or?

Perye Bentley 33:45

I believe you can. Either way, so I'm gonna

Kathy Adamson 33:49

cheat. So first of all, this is the bus that I have

Perye Bentley 33:56

notice Wow, what what is it by the way?

Kathy Adamson 33:59

So it's a toy coaster. It's an X Believe it or not Catholic Primary School bus which has had a paint job screens everything you can see on it, etc. Yeah, absolutely what I've done, so I've got 100 liters at the bottom and I've got 150 at the top. So they're two different pillars

Perye Bentley 34:31

what is it? Oh yeah, I can see that the kickass

Kathy Adamson 34:36

is actually my shower. Right that that is actually a shower with tinge that drops down. Now I used to have a shower on the inside of my other bus. But wait this one. You have to forgive me so the door opens like so. Right? And this is a very, very good job. I

Perye Bentley 35:01

looked brilliant though. This is the

Kathy Adamson 35:03

hot water system which is plumbed into the water permanently. My shower out here and the hose for the gas. So I literally undo that tent. Take this around to the other side. Turn it on, and I've got my hot shower if need be.

Perye Bentley 35:28

That's amazing. Like, for anyone who's just listening to this on the podcast, I'd recommend checking out the YouTube video as well because we're getting a full, full spin around of the awesome Catholic bus. He's turned into and it's massive. It's huge.

Kathy Adamson 35:50

Now I'll be able to see my screen. So this is just coming in to the bus. I'm behind my camera, so you're gonna have to tell me whether or not you can see

Perye Bentley 36:01

and see everything so far. Got your fan? Wow, that's beautiful.

Kathy Adamson 36:08

So leave us alone. When you talk pantry,

Perye Bentley 36:14

I've lost the coffee. Right. I've lost I've lost visual cafe. Oh

Kathy Adamson 36:25

hang on. Zoom meeting. impro There we go.

Perye Bentley 36:29

Gotcha. Look at that. Ilona. Wow, that's uh, gosh, it's literally a home. Like, if you just was walking around in there, you'd think that you're just in a house immediately. That's anyway you want it to be? That's perfect size. Wow.

Kathy Adamson 36:48

I mean, if my standard here the same does that give you an idea of the link?

Perye Bentley 36:52

Wow, that's incredible. Um, regarding regarding your toilet as well. Do you have an on on like, onboard toilet? Or is it outside?

Kathy Adamson 37:03

That little cupboard there? Yeah. Well, this little cupboard is what I call them royal throne. Brilliant.

Perye Bentley 37:16

Oh, that's so cool. It's

Kathy Adamson 37:18

just tucked away in a cupboard and you just pull it out when you need it.

Perye Bentley 37:22

That's it. Oh, cafe you've been amazing, like so. So for anyone who wants to know more about caffeine that caffeine actually doesn't really do too much social media, do you?

Kathy Adamson 37:37

I've been told to blog for a long time, or to do something online. But I, I guess the more familiar I get with technology, if it becomes easy, like most things do when you use them regularly, then that would be a good thing.

Perye Bentley 37:53

So my recommendation is keep an eye out for Caffee. Because the very second that her social media comes up, I'm going to plug it straight away and let people know because honestly, there is I've had a couple of conversations with Kathy now. And every single time it's it's just a lot of information. I just feel like there needs to be more conversations in the future as well. And I think that everyone would love to see your blog, everyone would love to see some sort of videos in the future when you're feeling more comfortable with that sort of stuff. But you know, for me and everyone here, you know, thank you so much caffeine has been friggin awesome talking to you. And yeah, speak to you soon.

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