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Sailing from France to Australia with two kids under 10, over 2 years, in the middle of a pandemic!

Updated: Jun 21, 2023

Dean and Chantel Murphy are a couple who decided to sail a Bali catamaran from France to Australia with their two young boys during the COVID-19 pandemic.

Hear about:

- Home-Schooling at sea

- 32-day passage crossings with no land in sight

- What it's really like dealing with kids in confined spaces

- The REAL cost of travelling on a boat versus staying at home

- Why NOW is the time to make plans to choose the road less travelled

Dean has a background in boat building and the boys have grown up around boats, so they were well-prepared for the adventure. They faced challenges along the way, including rough weather and equipment failures, but overall, they enjoyed the experience and learned a lot about each other and themselves.


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Perye Bentley 0:31

Hi, guys, welcome to the off grid traveler Podcast. Today, we have the wonderful Dean and Chantel who are an Aussie and French couple who just before COVID or 5050, between COVID. And before then They packed their family up two young boys you have who flew to France, where they picked up a brand new catamaran and sailed it back to Australia over the course of a year or so. Is that right? is two years. Wow. So is it is possible if you could kind of unpack how you decided to do that adventure? And yeah, what why did you decide to go for it from France to Australia?

Dean 1:14

Oh, yeah, sure. Well, France was a good place to pick up a boat, you have to start somewhere. So the the boats that we were looking at, were getting built in France. So that was a good place to jump off from. And also it's close to the cat, the Mediterranean. So we wanted to do the med that was Chantel, his family was over there. So we it was a good place to start, head over, set the boat up that we had family close by, which was a good thing. And then from there, we could show you move into the Mediterranean, and then head back to Australia. So the idea was to start somewhere.

Perye Bentley 1:57

So and so it was get to see some family first of all, and spend some time because I'm guessing being in Australia and France, you only get to see them X amount of times a year or you know, every couple years, right? So that initial here's the family, here's what they look like now they've gotten taller, congratulations. Now we're going off on a catamaran around around the world. Love that.

Chantal 2:22

Yeah, I think especially France is actually my family because Dean is from the UK, but he's been in Australia is all live. So that was really to see my family didn't want it to do the adventure. So I said, Well, it's a compromise, you want to do a big adventure, I want to spend a lot of time with my family a couple of months. So let's find the two together. And that's what France was a good start for us.

Dean 2:52

And I was always wandering across the Atlantic I hadn't crossed the Atlantic on a boat. So that was a big tick of something I bucket list. wanted to do. Yeah, that was that was good stuff. So

Perye Bentley 3:04

So you because you've you've done sailing, what are your life? Or when did you start sailing initially,

Dean 3:09

as a boat builder when I was young, but then sort of was out of it for quite some time. But ya know, I've always been passionate about the water and, and sailing. So yeah, it was

Perye Bentley 3:22

because I saw because I was just looking as I was saying, I was looking on your Instagram and I saw some of your your kids, they were doing the rigging. And they were and I was just going. They clearly have been taught this by by Greg grader minds to get them to a point where they How old are they at the moment?

Dean 3:41

1313 and

Chantal 3:43

12 Now that's when we started the journey was eight and 10 Wow.

Perye Bentley 3:48

Like you've they have grown around boats their whole life. Right? So let's let's say in 10 years time, they're going to be on their own adventures, and you know that they're going to be absolutely fine.

Dean 4:00

Absolutely. Yeah. 100% That was a big part of it as well as to before they went into high school was to we still looked at a tight timeline and went well, if we don't pull the trigger now we might not do it. They'll get to high school and then they'll be gone. And we we would have missed that opportunity to share it as a family and help them grow.

Chantal 4:22

Yeah, it was a it was a it was a lot harder for me to let that control go of my little boys, you know, getting out of the cotton wall and into the big wide world. Yeah, when you saw on the Instagram going during the swing of yes, my first few times were not as here that I was yeah, my heart was pounding and he took me. You goes to observe them to say no, they're fine. They'll be fine. And then eventually it just became second nature for them. And then at that point, I wasn't even worried my So so

Perye Bentley 5:00

Wow. So because obviously if you are on a journey for two years how what was the kind of education program for them? Because obviously, they're learning what's around them and you're teaching them everything about boats and how to survive on the open sea, because there was a point in it where you guys had not touched land for two weeks. And I was just thinking like, you've got to have some sea legs by that point, right? But how then in the daytime, do you make sure that they're still learning their fundamental education?

Chantal 5:32

Well, we took a really a school of life approach to approach to the education I had, I made sure that we had the curriculum for math and English covered and for the rest, it was really going to be on hands on learning even currency culture different languages as we went different countries by by the end of a they pretty pretty savvy in being able to work out the next change in US dollars to Euros to Australian dollars to French Tahiti, French, French friends in tie into this all these

Perye Bentley 6:16

while you still use it for pranks as well then,

Chantal 6:19

right? Yeah, yeah, Frank's but it's the value is quite increased, it's very, very, you have to spend 1000s of francs to even get

Dean 6:28

an apple.

Chantal 6:32

He's very interesting. You feel like you reach but you're not.

Perye Bentley 6:35

I love that. Love that. Because I remember being in Cambodia and the currency there is value has gone down astronomically. And my, we met these French rock band who are just wandering around as you do. And at one point, they got so much of it, they put it in a bath, and they were sitting in the bath with all the all the money and they're like, this is worth maybe like, you know, 10 apples or something like that. But it just that looks good.

Chantal 7:03

Yes, absolutely. That's exactly the same friendship. I love you. They learned they learned with will life as so many. Yes,

Dean 7:14

I met other kids along the way as well, which were also doing a journey and learning. So it was good for them to see that and, and interact with other other kids realizing

Unknown Speaker 7:26

why it's because Yeah, so the biggest part she took from that is that you were actually teaching them like life skills that they're actually going to use as adults more than you and there's nothing wrong with the education system. But there is. But you found that by going, Hey, look, you know, this is a US dollar. And this is, you know, a euro and this is the reason why this cost this and that's why you need to know these things. You're putting them way ahead of the curve, like way ahead of the curve. And it sort of

Dean 7:57

got and also what it takes to get into different countries like just the ability to go from one country they are what sort of paperwork do you have to do fill out? How do you bring the boat from one place to the next? Do you have to speak to what are

Chantal 8:15

you allowed to bring into the country and not allowed and it's different with every single one and wow, reason and we go beyond like what's the reason behind it like so they really get into the nitty gritty of your everyday life basically.

Perye Bentley 8:31

Yeah, yeah, but you make it fun because you're on the open seat at the same time.

Dean 8:35

Absolutely. Yeah, like caching our own food. We're killing it we're getting it

Chantal 8:42

gets 10 years of age and that was pretty interesting.

Perye Bentley 8:48

Fish and you're just like yeah, no, they can do it now. I don't need to I can just I can just do the boat and be the captain.

Chantal 8:55

Yes Right. And they love they love tuna sashimi now before they would have fish but you know the, the real world tuna. They absolutely love it. We caught so much of it. Wow.

Perye Bentley 9:09

So what what was the what was the catamaran that you you purchase? What was the brand that you got?

Dean 9:16

We got to Bali? 4.1? Which? Tiana beautiful. Yeah, beautiful boat. Probably what wouldn't be the one I would recommend to actually do do an ocean crossing again. Okay. There's a purpose because I was going to try and use it as a business back in Australia decided to charter but decided against it. So I'd probably choose the boat differently for what we were doing. But I did choose the route that we were doing to be with the prevailing winds to make it a bit more comfortable. Oh, so

Perye Bentley 9:51

because obviously you you matched the boat to the route so that you or vice versa to make sure that you weren't going to be in any kind of situations which called for better equipment, correct?

Chantal 10:04

Yes, thanks. So yeah, we made sure that we were in mostly safe but that said it's the weather can completely change in a minute and that you never foresee that but we we made sure we took all the necessary precautions, precautions to comfortable as can be.

Perye Bentley 10:24

So the, the one the catamaran that you you, you got, what's the difference between that one and the one that you would probably choose for your next adventure. Or if you were on that adventure again,

Chantal 10:36

he will go he will choose one that goes faster. Speed

more sail, our catamaran didn't have that much sail. And therefore not as much we win Cody, and therefore we went as far as fast.

Dean 10:56

So other boats were beating so that wasn't a good fit like, is it? There might definitely need to go faster. So

Chantal 11:04

yeah, I'm known as the one and as I know the thing that we would change on that boat we have is to for him to go change the rigging do how to go manual the boat, the boat, you would have to literally get outside and up stairs. And when you are in ocean crossing a night, that was my biggest fear. Get out and literally fall in the water even though he was tethered. And he had you never know. There's there are boats where you can go and maneuver the boat. Within staying within the cabin itself. It makes sense. Yep. And nine, if I had to do it again, definitely would do.

Dean 11:50

It's a great charter boat. It's not a great ocean.

Perye Bentley 11:53


Dean 11:55

thing it can be done, obviously recruit, recruit that. But I would try to learn

Chantal 12:00

from you know,

Dean 12:04

you've got to, you've got to actually do the experience to understand what works and what doesn't. So when you do it again, or when you explain it to somebody, you go, Okay, I would do this instead of this. Day, you've got to do it.

Chantal 12:18

Yes, that's right. Doesn't matter how much you prepare, or you think you've researched because we used a lot of research thinking. We had it all down paths, you know, everything. And we still would do few things differently. But mostly, it was

Perye Bentley 12:35

just, it is the same, right? It's the see, like, it doesn't matter how much you prepare, anything can happen, especially when you're in the like an area where you have minimal communication or abilities as well. And you're getting those small packets of data to tell you the locations that you need to go you go by what you see. And that's all you have. And it's interesting to think about that. What now that you've done that are the three biggest pieces of tech or items that you think are absolutely 100% needed when you're on this or wish that you had at that time.

Dean 13:16

Yeah, no, we hadn't, we had Iridium go which was definitely the most important piece which basically lets you know what the weather is that you can download the weather for where you are at all times even though it's not all right. And you look at it and you go well they're definitely not out here. But saying that at least it gives you a reasonable idea of what the weather should be that there's no cyclones coming no massive storms gives you ability to communicate communicate with the outside world.

Chantal 13:52

Ideally, when you're deep in the ocean when you know the age basically satellite satellite,

Dean 13:59

you need that you have to that's definitely one one thing you need to I would a good wardrobe of sales. We didn't have enough of a wardrobe so when we were across this interesting we blew out a sale and that bought us back slowly just right down so having an extra couple of sales would have been a word to me it's a must. Other things you'd need don't really like

Chantal 14:29

a life raft is have

Dean 14:32

a good sense of adventure.

Perye Bentley 14:36

Yeah, that's a good way

Dean 14:39

and an ability to adapt

Perye Bentley 14:44

Yeah, it's you know before before we unpack the the emotional side of it one thing I'd love to go in and set you when you were saying about the the having the sales, and one of them blew out. Where did you Find the like, how slow were you going at that point? And then where did you find a replacement? How did you how did you sort that situation out? And did you buy more? After you had that sale blowout?

Dean 15:12

No, we basically sail blowout halfway across the Pacific. So we will get two weeks into the trip, we're doing about 10 knots, which was absolutely incredible and beautiful. And we went from 10 to six. So and we still had two weeks ahead of us. So that then calculate the time that we were not doing that extra four knots. And you're like, that's a lot.

Perye Bentley 15:34

Grows. Yeah.

Dean 15:36

But the fixing the sale was difficult because it was during COVID. So trying to get anybody to do anything. So we actually sold without it for all the way to Fiji, to we got to repair in Fiji.

Chantal 15:49

And that's why we get right to

Dean 15:51

it. And obviously as you go along, it's also the expanse you get to Tahiti, to fix anything in Tahiti is crazy amount of astronomical, astronomical and to import into Tahiti also is an astronomical amount. So you want to be able to make sure that you've got it before you go. So that you've it, you've already has that ability just to swap it out and leave it until you get to a port that actually you can afford to do it at a reasonable cost,

Chantal 16:20

spares of everything that the important part to manage the port is important. That's a

Perye Bentley 16:27

really good tip guys, so to have spares of almost everything which can blow out

Dean 16:34

or you're not going to have everything you you have to we we basically we left Panama. And probably our biggest one of our biggest storms was we got into a lightning storm pretty well a day out of Panama. And we were coming to a set of islands. And Panama had just gone into COVID which was a massive lockdown. Like basically they were locking down everything Wow. And we took a lightning strike not direct but not far from us, I'd had everything turned off. And it took out our wind instruments, our some of our navigation and our speed, and something

Chantal 17:14

else. So basically to find out what what when what

Dean 17:18

wind speed there was at a time, the depths. And some of the navigation basically was gone. And if the option was to go back to Panama, which would have been stuck there for like, months on end, because there was nothing coming in or out of Panama or make the decision to travel across the Pacific without those for four weeks. Always. That was a big, big, big to accept to to explain to Chantal that we can do that it's not going to be the end of the world at the end of the day. Yes, it'd be great to have but we can put our finger up and Captain Cook yeah, pretty well. If he can do it. Yes, we're gonna have to get back to buy

Perye Bentley 18:07

back to old schools.

Dean 18:09

Oh my gosh, that was massive.

Perye Bentley 18:11

So So what was the decision did you decide to go without it?

Dean 18:17

Not gonna wait another month in Panama in lockdown where you couldn't swim in the water? Hardly because there's crocodiles you were going to be stuck on your boat not being able to get off

Perye Bentley 18:28

that terrifying but go How do you know if you're going to get out after a month as well? Right you know they might have just extended it for another month and you've just had their beards growing. Starting to look a bit brick crew so we

Dean 18:43

were gonna kill each other by the

Perye Bentley 18:46

there'll be movies about it.

Dean 18:49

Exactly. So

Chantal 18:50

yeah, the idea of going going forward where was the only

Dean 18:55

only option

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Perye Bentley 19:46

And then it comes down to the fact that you have faith in yourself and your family to be able to do it and that that comes down to the emotional side of you know, like we said before you have done it. You've been part of it. I was in life for for almost all your life and what was it to tell? Chantelle in the family? Hey, I've got this idea. And I want you to get on board with me

Dean 20:14

how to go on the whole journey? Yeah, that was definitely obviously that was that was the biggest hurdle. That wasn't the biggest hurdle. But obviously, it took a fair amount of effort to go, okay, like, let's just the house we just built, let's just rent it out where most people were saying, that's crazy. You just built this house, which was lovely. But like, then are we just going to rent it to somebody else? Yeah. And take the kids out of school, obviously. And Chantelle goes, well, if it doesn't work out, we can always come home. Well, to me, that wasn't an option we go. And we, there was a plan A and plan a was always just do it chunk sales plan with the D, I

Chantal 20:59

did many, many, many, I gave her

Dean 21:03

the options. But none of the options were actually in my mind, feasible other than and then getting from A to B.

Chantal 21:10

But there were a few really, really know about from COVID, when which made it impossible to do Plan B, C, D, because there was like all that flying around. It. You it's good. For me, it was good to know that I had other plan. Even if I was never going to even action, then it's just the idea of knowing that there are other plans available to me just in case made me feel safe about getting in on board onto Plan A,

Dean 21:44

we also went and did a course on on safety at sea. We also did a first aid with course with the kids so they could download what needs to be done and have a look after each other. So we did those things preparing for the trip.

Perye Bentley 22:03

Yeah. So again, it comes down to the fact that if you aren't doing this, you do a lot of prep work. You don't don't forget what your dream is, and push to do it. But remember that the proper prior planning is always going to make your journey that much more enjoyable. Because you're prepared, right.

Chantal 22:23

And you can do the planning, it doesn't have to be a massive thing to do. Because it's quite old, it could be overwhelming. If you start planning well in advance, you can plan a very small pace. So it doesn't feel like a big chunk of planning or work each time. It's little bits at the time. And within two years, we did little bits at a time

Dean 22:49

you have to you have to choose a leave date, and you have to work with that date. So you have to have a date. And you have to and the commitment to us was we put the deposit on the boat, and the boat was going to be finished in this date. That was that was the date we had to be there. So you know what everything else has to work towards that no matter what it is, even if you haven't done everything you just have to

Chantal 23:13

I may I may have I may have as a tool in my house, my husband may have said or I the date will be a year before we actually made it and say okay, now we make the date an extra year from now. Yeah. And then we'll have heaps more time to plan in a really nice and easy manner. So

Perye Bentley 23:35

a balance between hey, I want to do this now. But there's a date and Chantal going well hold on. Just give it another 365 days and we can both meet in the middle. We'll make it happen. But you just have to make sure we're set up for this and the kids are ready and boom, you just it's our it's our drive to continuously want to do stuff. Chantal, we're so sorry about that. It's just so mindset we have

Chantal 24:01

no, look, it's a good compromise. You said it's but you said to take in a reasonable manner not only to happy Yes, yeah. Not 10 years, but a couple a year or two years. That was the difference.

Perye Bentley 24:15

And that's something I really want to point out to people who are thinking about traveling in general is that putting a date in your calendar or booking that flight that's maybe it's six months from now maybe it's a year from now and having not that wow, it will make you go

Dean 24:33

Yeah, it makes you do everything else that you need to do to get to it and it gives you okay you then you can start writing checklists, what am I going to do? How do I tick these off? And how do I get through X amount to get to that point?

Chantal 24:43

What is that date and what what needs to happen for

Perye Bentley 24:49

work with the end in mind right? And if you've got that close of date, then you're there and then afterwards look it it's for a lot of people going on on a boat might be too big of an adventure in there. Actually, but if you're if you're terrified of of changing up your, your lifestyle, maybe go to another country for a month, you know, and just see how you feel nine times out of 10. It's that first step, which is the most terrifying, right? And then once you've done it, you're like, This is life. I am never going back to normal life if I can.

Chantal 25:21

Yeah, I can get on. Can I just add to that when we met? The lot of people we met on the journey on boats, when a lot of them were not educated on but had not been educated on both a lot of them. We made a couple of French couple that literally, each one of them took a crash course, a big one for a week on sailing, and literally bought their boats and when with their daughter, and cross the Atlantic. Yeah. I started

Dean 25:53

doing it in chunks to start with around their area. And

Chantal 25:58

yes, so it's a cool, yes, I was lucky to have someone by my side that I knew I could trust with both and selling. So I know it was a big advantage. But honestly, we met so many people that had not been had done some selling there and there. But nothing. Yeah, nothing major. And they still did it. Yes to the punch. And for that for me, I actually put my hat off to those people, because I thought that was like the bravest thing they could ever

Perye Bentley 26:31

just just to you know, so they did short journeys, and then they grew it out and to a point where they felt that they could go well, as long as as long as their arm can take them, right. Yeah, yeah. Wow. Yes. You know, that's, that screams a lot about what, what people can do and how we can adapt to different situations, and how easily we can adapt to just a city life if we let that become our home. And

Dean 26:58

absolutely, we can get in and we can procrastinate about the things that we want to do. But it's actually got to, you've got to make a plan and start moving forward with life, you've only got a short period of life on this planet, and it goes so fast, that you are able to unpack your life and realize that at some stage, you won't be able to do those things, there's going to be a certain timeframe, when you're at a certain age that it just becomes too hard. You the things you can do when you're 20, you can't do at 40 or 50. And things you you do at 50 and 60, you're not gonna be able to do it at so if you are, you're gonna get you're going to miss it, the minute you miss the opportunity, or the fact is the money or come and go. But the the lifestyle of your life by which we took 24 months out to go traveling with the kids. Like that's most people's life they get one month a year, that's 24 years of holidays, we just took we crammed into two years.

Perye Bentley 28:05

That that is a really good way of looking at it, you know? And with that in mind, what's the next adventure?

Dean 28:15

Well, every day is an adventure, isn't it just with kids. But first things we we've sort of made a plan that we when the kids have now left, left home, we will buy another boat and travel Asia. And but this time we want to do and we want to take people on the journey that we then are able to share the ability for them to actually do what visual you're doing with this podcast is to teach them how to that they can do it. And it's not as hard as they think it is. And it's actually cheaper to go and travel the world than it is to stay home and pay for the cars and the House and the mortgages and all the rest of the things you do. It's actually crazy. how much that costs versus going traveling.

Perye Bentley 29:03

Well. Can you just say that one more time, please. So that people can get that dig into their mind. It's actually cheaper.

Dean 29:11

When you when you put it in perspective, you take the kids out of the schools, you take the Get rid of the cars and just have one car instead of two. You take the fields and insurances and all the things it costs you to go to work than what it is to actually go traveling where it's costing us $1,000 A week more to live here than it was to travel, which is madness, which when you think about just like yeah, that just seems crazy.

Chantal 29:37

It does this really on the board we packed you cannot pack too much when you go on the board. There's no you don't realize.

Perye Bentley 29:45

Not that please Sorry. Chantel continued you. Absolutely.

Chantal 29:49

Exactly. You don't need much and we just go back down to what is it that we need the food the roof from out on their head and Even I love my clothes I love you know shopping and the on the boat, there was no point me bringing my high heels because really, with my sandals or no shoes, and um, it was great for 24 months, I loved it.

Dean 30:16

Yeah, the boys, the boys had to two pairs, they had a pair of socks and a pair of shoes, when the shoes wore out, we got rid of them, they were holding on, we wrapped them in now we do recommend we allowed them to get rid of those ones, and put a new pair of shoes on. But that was it, there was no need to have three or four or five pairs of shoes.

Chantal 30:37

We are not paying for the school or the activities after school because the activities were you know, the ocean swimming, discovering the world. And it was happening as we

Perye Bentley 30:50

going. Yeah, it's funny because like right now I'm in South Korea. And this has been slowly turning into my little studio. But I've been I've been traveling Asia for just under a decade. And the thing is, when you first go out there, you've got this big backpack that's probably got about everything under the sun probably suits in there, just in case, you know, I've got the the loafers I've got all this stuff. By the end of it, I had probably this much. And you realize how all of this stuff here is nice to have, right? But the fact of the matter is when you're on the the open sea or when you're out traveling, the less you've got, the less your back's gonna. Oh, absolutely.

Dean 31:31

And the free you are, the less of the free you up like it's, it's when you come back and you go well, wait a minute, this the property owned me or do I own the property? I'm actually not too sure about

Perye Bentley 31:42

that. Yeah, that's crazy, right? And it again, it really screams out what? Why? Why do we do the things we do? Is it because of the societal expectations? Is it because we have nice to haves and you just slowly build them up without realizing is there's so many things that open up your mind when you just go out on the sea outside into the jungle anywhere? Look up at the sky, see the stars and go? Yeah, this is all right. I could I could just do this for now.

Dean 32:10

Yeah, it's a lived experience instead of an existence.

Chantal 32:14

And it's good. If you go traveling every few years, at least if you let go of your property or what you own every few years, at least you declutter on a more regular basis. So you declutter a whole 10 years of your life. If you declutter every year, or every two years, it's a lot smaller chunk, and easier to do. Yeah,

Perye Bentley 32:39

I love you guys have been an absolute pleasure with how you explained your journey, what you've been doing, and the fact that you're going to keep going, and you're never going to stop doing this. And I'm going to put my hand up and say, when you're in Asia, I want to come on the catamaran or the the the yacht or the boat or whatever it is, even if it's a dinghy, I want you to teach me how to do the digging, because I bet that'd be amazing.

Chantal 33:04

Sound down? Yes. Sounds great. Yeah.

Dean 33:07

One other thing I would say is that we've we've just now done a house swap with our house, for our house in Sydney, the factor of the things I think is moving away from what it used to be where you had to own it. Or you do own it, but you can swap it for somebody else's. So

Chantal 33:28

we realized that really someone it's my house is going to be empty for why why not just give it to somebody else and swap it with somebody else with somebody else is the place in the world that you want to visit and explore.

Perye Bentley 33:42

I'm sure many people would want to come to Australia and vice versa, you'll be able to go to Portugal, anywhere in Europe, America. And that's a really, really good tip. And on top of that, as well. I'm sure that you can even do it with a little bit of creativity, swapping for a boat for a piece of time where they're on on your house and stuff, right?

Chantal 34:04

Yeah, absolutely. The possibilities become endless if you if you let go of that need to to be you need to have something if that something can be shared, shared and doesn't own you. As I said,

Perye Bentley 34:21

that's really cool. Guys, you also I mentioned before you have an Instagram, which is sailing Saphira. And that's with two pieces, sa p p h I r a. And I would highly recommend anyone who is excited or interested in learning this story. It's got some really cool photos and videos and there was that one, like you said with your son doing the circus to lay around the catamaran in the middle of the water. It's just it really opens your eyes to what freedom can be when you're not stuck in the house all the time. Right.

Chantal 34:59

All right. Absolutely. Yeah, I see Really? Really? Yeah, she was

Perye Bentley 35:03

brilliant guys. Well, do you have any anything you'd like to share or any last tips or tricks of the trade?

Chantal 35:12

Um, for me, I would just say like, because that had a lot of fears throughout, you know, getting there and throughout the whole ordeal that I would say, feel the fear and do it. Anyway, this is my motto and this, this is probably one of the most important thing that I remind myself each time I go on an adventure.

Perye Bentley 35:34

That's right. Yeah, I'm exactly the same. If you're feeling uncomfortable. That normally means growth is just about to happen. And it is a good thing. It is. Yeah, brilliant, guys. Well, this is the off grid traveler. We have had two really awesome guests here, Dan and Chantel, thank you so much for your time. If if anyone would like to ask some questions, yes. Jump on and get them at sailings of fear. I'm sure they'll have some really cool things to talk about and tell you amazing adventures. Cheers guys. Have an awesome one. Bye.

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