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A Pilot's Life on the Road Navigating Fatigue and Meeting Friendly People Around the World

Updated: Aug 14, 2023

Trevor Perry is a pilot who also enjoys traveling. He has a unique schedule that allows him to take long periods of time off work and travel the world.

He has been doing this for 8 years and during that time he has gone on a trip every month. He had the opportunity to go to some unique locations and experience off-grid adventures.

For example, while on a layover in Costa Rica, he went surfing till sunset but got lost and had to swim through crocodile-infested waters to get to his hotel on time.

Trevor and Perye were discussing the fatigue that pilots can experience while flying, especially during long and red-eye flights.

Trevor explains that despite having regulations regarding duty and flight times, fatigue is still a common issue in the aviation industry.

However, all commercial airliners have at least two pilots and on ultra long-haul flights, they even have augmented crews with additional pilots who take turns flying the plane to minimize the impact of fatigue.

People are friendly in many places but it depends on the region.

In Kurdistan, people are incredibly friendly and would invite travelers into their homes for tea and bread. In Somaliland, people are also friendly and show a genuine interest in talking to travelers.

However, in some regions, there could be situations where one may feel uncomfortable but those are rare instances. Overall, people are open to meeting and talking to travellers.

Perye Bentley 0:00

Let's meet Trevor Perry, a pilot who spends 50% of his time traveling to places no one's ever heard of. We talk about camping on dormant volcanoes solo adventuring through the back roads of a man and swimming through crocodile infested waters, just to get to work on time. And as always, we'd like to thank the sponsor of today's podcast, dry flush toilets. If you haven't seen these amazing off grid toilets, you really need to check them out. They're the cleanest, easiest smell free toilet that you've ever seen. And they recently won the new best camping technology in Australia. No more dumping chemicals or maintaining a composting toilet, go to to see how they work. Let's get traveling.

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Perye Bentley 1:12

Hey, guys, welcome to the off grid traveler. Today I have a Trevor Perry great name, by the way, who is an air pilot and also an avid traveler who's been everywhere under the sun has figured out a way to not only see the world, but get paid for it at the same time. So, Trevor, it's really awesome to have you with us. We had a brief chat before, you know, you explaining about, you know, you figured out a way, quite a while back to be able to spend a long period of time in these incredible locations around the world. But at the same time, you know, doing your job, which is a pilot, and I'd love if you could just give her a little bit of an elaboration on that.

Trevor 1:54

Yeah. Oh, thanks. Thanks. It's awesome to be here. And it's a fairly unique position to to be in in order to make the world a really small place. Because

I think there's very few professions where you have the amount of control over your schedule where you can get a large block of days off on a monthly basis. But then also combine that with

past travel or travel privileges in order to make air travel, quite affordable there, it definitely makes the world a much smaller place. So I've been lucky enough to Well, for a while there, it was doing a trip a month, for about eight years. It's a little bit less now, especially with the young kid on the way here. And

Perye Bentley 2:40

yeah, congratulations, by the way.

Trevor 2:42

Thank you. Thank you very much. But yeah, so like I'd be I would bid see a block of days off at the end of the month, and then another block of days off the beginning of the following month there so I could get the large amount of time off to you know, go off and explore. And I know that that's not necessarily for everybody there. I know a lot of pilots and or flight crew and cabin crew in general who the last thing that they want to do when their days off is set foot in an airplane there and I totally get that there. But for me, it's just I don't know, I can't sit still for too too long. To my wife's chagrin.

Perye Bentley 3:25

Yeah. Well, it's interesting, because with that in mind, you normally have about you said about three weeks there are there abouts that you're able to adventure around into these different different locations that right, was it three weeks or a month? Yeah,

Trevor 3:40

yeah, it's about three to three to four weeks there,

Perye Bentley 3:42

man. That's crazy. And so for for eight years, every single month or so, you were going to all these crazy different locations. And so, you know, in in that aspect, you've done a kind of off grid adventure, but it's just it's just crazy how different people experience life differently. Right and that that's what just really excites me about this is that you were mentioning before that you had a crazy time. You something about in Croc infested waters, I believe you meant Oh,

Trevor 4:15

yeah, that was that was actually at work. Of all places. It was on a layover down in Costa Rica and my, my go to place to go serve so they put a step in town called Tamarindo. It's nicknamed tema gringo. Because it's kind of where like all the tourists go

Perye Bentley 4:35

the gringos. Yeah,

Trevor 4:36

yeah. But there's a cross the estuary, there's another beach that's a little bit quieter and like the surf over there too. So I usually go surfing over there and I made the mistake of surfing right till sunset and that in and of itself wasn't a big deal. But when I was finished, I couldn't find where I hid my stuff in the bushes. And so Oh, I had an early morning pick up the next day to go to work. And I'm like, Well, okay, so I'm stuck on this beach here, I gotta get to work tomorrow, how am I gonna get over? Well, I don't feel like calling up crew scheduling, saying, Hey, I'm stuck on a beach here, sorry, I'm gonna have to delay my check in tomorrow or, you know, so did what I had to do, get on my board and keep my feet out of the water. And I start, like, try to stay out as far towards open ocean as I could this is when the sun's coming down, right? Like, this is after sunset. So this is dark, and paddling across on my board, and across Croc infested waters in an estuary and you can see them all over the place in the daytime as well. So, yeah, I always said, if, you know, work ever gave me a hard time about anything, I'd just be like, you know, what, I swam through Croc infested waters just to show up for work. So,

Perye Bentley 5:57

boom, and you know, that's, that's the, that's, that's the beauty of traveling and being able to do you know, what you've been able to do. And you mentioned as well, that one of the biggest things is that you because you come from Canada, where the web isn't really fit for surfing, let's, let's say, right, and because of what you've done traveling, you've been able to actually turn it into go, Oh my gosh, like I have these hobbies now that I would never have experienced or never had the opportunity to do and so it'd be really cool to just kind of unpack in your mind, what got you to a point where you were like, you know, first I want to travel and then finding these hobbies. And if you didn't travel, you know, would you would you would you have been living the same life, you know.

Trevor 6:50

So, in terms of traveling, I mean, ever since I was a little guy, I was always fascinated by geography, would spend hours just looking at, like the big Atlas that was sitting on my parents bookshelf as a kids. And then, you know, the Encarta encyclopedia and stuff like that. When I was a little guy, and then, you know, throughout a good portion of my adult life, post high school, everything that I had focused on was sort of, on my career, everything I put a put my heart and soul into getting to where I was at in aviation there. So it's always

Perye Bentley 7:33

directed that you'd always wanted to go that route with since you were a kid, then

Trevor 7:37

I did. And that's a pretty common story with most pilots there. But, you know, when I got to a major carrier, a major airline, I was like, okay, cool. This is great. This has been the goal. Well, now what? And then, you know, I really kind of thought about it as like, well, I'm sort of in a unique position, like I described beforehand to you or to see the world and make the world a much smaller place. So that sort of when, for lack of a better term, the aggressive traveling started. Yeah, right. Point. And then, you know, I got addicted to it after that, because really, I hadn't been prior to that. The only place I've been outside of Canada in the US was just Mexico. So

Perye Bentley 8:23

the Free America is basically Well, there's four isn't that you've got Central, and then you've got South America. So you've you've been, you've only been a very large area, but at the same time, it is you can still drive the whole way through if you wanted to.

Trevor 8:38

For sure, for sure. And then in terms of hobbies, I mean, well, there is surfing here in Canada to phenol, but it's a bit of a trek to get out there. And also pretty limited in its season. I mean, depending on whether or not you want to wear a wetsuit, or drysuit, or anything like that to do that. But yeah, definitely. This type of traveling has led to other hobbies, including surfing as well as diving there, which I don't think that I would have gotten into at least not nearly as much Had this not been accessible to me. Most of my trips are usually centered around hiking and climbing, or multi day tracks there. That's what I'll actively seek out when I try and find a destination as well. And you know, if I wasn't traveling, I'm pretty sure I'd still be into that. I mean, Rocky Mountains are pretty much my backyard.

Perye Bentley 9:41

Candidate lifestyle, right? Yeah, gotcha. Yeah.

Trevor 9:44

But definitely wouldn't have as varied experience with that. If it weren't for traveling.

Perye Bentley 9:51

And like you said, you know, you would you would you ever even thought about diving and surfing if you were in, you know, where you if you'd stayed there and that The reason why I bring that up is just, it's amazing how, when you start going to these other places you pick up, you see what other people were doing. You say, hey, you know what, I'd actually like to have a go at that. Because, you know, I lived in Thailand for, you know, a long time. And so I started doing my Thai. And if I had hadn't started doing more Thai, I wouldn't have started doing boxing, which I do now. And you know, I'd always liked it, but I'd never, I'd never seen it visually, you're walking down the street, and you just see these guys doing it. And you're like, oh, my gosh, you know, like, Can I can I try. And then they beat the living crap out of you. And you either go home, or you you go again, and I can't wait again, weirdly. And so it's just what what I'm what I really love about traveling and getting these abilities to go to these different places is that it you're always yourself, but it expands you out 111 mile further than what you were. And so it's just understanding and trying to, you know, remind people to get out there and see what actually, you know, lights your fire.

Trevor 11:04

Yeah, that's, that's so true. And I think the biggest thing for most people, I mean, there's the obvious financial barrier, but the mental barrier is just the fact that it's the unknown, and people are so afraid of the unknown. And you know, especially when it comes to solo travel, if you haven't done that, in the past, that can be terrifying. You know, until you actually do, and then you realize, okay, like, and you know, I can't count the number of times things have gone awry when I've traveled but some, some way somehow things always have a way of working out, you know, I'm sitting back at home right here having this conversation with you, you know, so, you know, there's nothing ever that's so catastrophic that things don't generally work out. And then, and then they make a good story in the log,

Perye Bentley 12:00

or, yeah, well, you like like you said, with the crocodile one. Is there any other like moments where you've gone like, Okay, this is a bit this is a this is a bit hardcore right now. Am I sure I should have gone this route.

Trevor 12:19

One that comes to mind was at the Namibia, Botswana border. Okay. And it's a great story. Yeah. So we had we had just finished in Botswana after a meeting a friend. She was flying Bush planes down there. And we had waved goodbye to her. So we're at the border, and there's no buses or anything that gets us to when took the capital from there. So we it's pretty common to hitchhike down there. Oh, wow. So we ended up catching a ride with a bunch of fishermen sitting in the box of their truck there. And we're driving along the highway. And see, we can see the truck just starting to swerve just starting to go off to the side of the highway until it's actually getting off the side of the road here. And students do that, like guys start pounding on the back of the cab. And then since he does that the truck swerves right into the middle back into the middle of the freeway. So we all go fly in one direction. And then he pulls over up to the side of the, onto the side of the road and gets out towards like a bottle of water on my face. And they're like, oh, yeah, he's been up for like, three, six hours or whatever it was. They're like, Okay, well, like we can drive one of us can drive and they're like, no, no, no, no, he's fine. He's fine. Like, No, honestly, like, we could drive. It's okay. They're like, No, no, he's fine. Okay, well, then, you know what, we're probably gonna hitch another ride here. That's just about it for us. Yeah, that was a little bit sketchy,

Perye Bentley 14:05

man, like in that 36 hours staying up. Like, because as a pilot, right, you have to do long times up as well. What was in your mind? In that essence? Obviously, you know, the logical thought is no, I'm getting off this. But, you know, being someone who's been on a plane so many times, you've must have stayed up way over certain periods of time or, you know, as much as you're allowed to. What how does your brain feel at that point?

Trevor 14:34

Yeah, well, we have, we have duty day restrictions, we have flight time restrictions. It's a whole complicated matrix, depending on your circadian rhythm, the time of day that you check in. The unfortunate part is Canadian laws, which had been recently updated still fall short of science in that way. So it does definitely lead to Fatigue, the onus is on us to, you know, not fly if we're, if we're fatigued or we feel that we are fatigued, but the reality of the situation doesn't necessarily provide to be able to do that all the time either, unfortunately. And so yeah, I mean, I don't know. I don't know how much I'm incriminating myself here, but

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Trevor 16:15

but incriminate yourself, and there's definitely there's definitely some times where I've flown and I've been quite tired. And it's I mean, it's unavoidable to feel tired, especially when you're flying, flying a red eye. I mean, coming back from Hawaii the other night there the Red Eye, six hour flight, it's you know, it doesn't matter how much rest you've gotten, you know, it's still that time of the day to where your circadian rhythm is such that you're going to be or however much you acclimatized to that time zone, you're still tired. So yeah, it's it's it's inevitable. It's almost kind of a part of the job.

Perye Bentley 16:56

But yeah, yeah, that's why you're alone, either, right? You've always got a team with you that are keeping, you know, you taking turns even on short flights, I'm sure that you've got at least two people there. Yeah,

Trevor 17:09

that's right. So all commercial airliners have at least two pilots in them on long haul or ultra long haul flights. There'll be an augmented crew. So you'll have a third or even a fourth pilots.

Perye Bentley 17:20

Is that just someone who's kind of like, a backup or?

Trevor 17:25

Yeah, so they, they'll switch on and off. So for example, like so for an ultra long haul flight, you have two pilots who can only fly X amount of hours, and then they'll switch off and the other two pilots will fly the remainder of the flight there. So yeah, the rules are a little bit different with ultra long haul and extra crew members to help augment the flight. Now right? Yeah, yeah, in some of the bunks on like these wide buddy airplanes, like they actually have bunk beds like overtop of the cabin there.

Perye Bentley 18:01

That's exactly what I wanted to ask about because we had different people on and they talk about their setup and stuff like that. And they have their beds and like some people have had their catamarans where they've got like a you know, sleeping area and bunk bed. But you guys get your own sleeping area inside the bunks like inside the plane as well, right?

Trevor 18:22

Yeah, in the in the white body airplanes, ones that tend to do the long haul ultra long haul they've got overtopping it's kind of funny. Actually, there's an escape hatch that goes right, right to the ceiling of the other cabin there. So if you wanted to play a joke on somebody you could pop out and say hi to somebody sitting in the seat there. But ya know, the airplane I fly the 737 There's no bunks or anything like that. It's usually short to medium haul. Yeah, I ended up doing

Perye Bentley 18:55

so when you do those large ones because obviously people always want to know about the the equipment that you have with you. So it just interesting to say that like on a long flight. You have bunk beds. What do you do get any other amenities because it seems like you're in your own first class there if you've got that. facilities there.

Trevor 19:15

The bunks the mugs are pretty nice. Like you've got like, the same entertainment systems that are in the back of the seats there. And then they're like flat beds inside. They're not all white bodies have bunks on top, like the 330s are like larger Airbus airplanes that for the airplane that I fly, they just have like a business class seat that they can lie down on North so it's not. Yeah, it's alright. It's it's enough to get a little bit of rest in there. In any case there which you're definitely going to want on those ultra long haul flights that go upwards of 16 hours.

Perye Bentley 19:54

Yeah, I bet and as you mentioned before, as well because obviously you have your kid which is coming in again, congratulations on that. With that in mind, I'm guessing that your your your travel plans are probably going to be minimizing a little bit. But do you have any? Do you have any goals or plans for any other like trips or anything adventures that you've got in mind at the moment?

Trevor 20:18

Yeah, absolutely. So the type of traveling is going to change a little bit that's, that's inevitable. Yeah. Especially with where I'm staying where I'm going. I would like to, especially when, when he's really young, that everybody says that it's easier to travel when they're, say, an infant or really young as opposed to a toddler. So, in terms of specific destinations, I mean, the next ones on the list that I have for me, are Bangladesh, Papa, New Guinea and Mauritania. But I don't think I'll be able to do that with the little guy there. So

Perye Bentley 21:03

I'm sure you know, if they saw if they saw you with a little baby on your back like that, trekking through for Papua New Guinea, you know, I'm sure they'd be more than Cape like, friendly to help you out.

Trevor 21:16

Yeah. Oh, no, definitely for sure.

Perye Bentley 21:20

But I know what your wife would think.

Trevor 21:23

And that's just it. Right? My wife, she travels a little bit differently than I do Sure. creature comforts. Yeah. And I'm perfectly okay with sleeping in a hole in the ground. That doesn't bother me. My wife. Well, I mean, when we traveled together, she's actually really, really good. A cop, she's got a compromising. So she's an even, I mean, most recently, I mean, we've just went down to Puerto Vallarta for five days last month. And I mean, that's an easy trip, and I was fully expecting it just to be like, totally not what I usually do and just relax. Yeah, he was actually up for she was up for adventure, we went to a couple of fishing villages there, to a couple of waterfalls when she was at the time, I guess, 2425 weeks pregnant. So wow, she's been a trooper there. And then whenever we travel, alright. Sometimes we'll stay there and guest houses or hostels together. And then there'll be the odd day where we'll stay in somewhere a little bit nicer, just for her. So

Perye Bentley 22:33

as you do, mate, like I've said before, I've got a plan to go to Thailand soon. And, you know, basically, we're going there to make music and just chill out. But the first day we get there, I've booking like five star buffet, I want to absolutely destroy my stomach. When I get onto the couch to go down to the islands I just knock out and it's just having a bit of luxury and then you know, sleeping in a jungle 10 You know, that beautiful mix between both of them, it we live in a world where you can do that, within a week, if you wanted to. Or you could go like you said you could go to Bangladesh and you could be living in absolute palaces, or you could be living you know, with locals and probably my opinion having a better time. It just depends on what what fires you up when you travel and and what and who you're with who you're with is a massive 100%.

Trevor 23:29

And actually, my buddy Tristan, we've done several trips together, we've been through all sorts of ridiculous ventures and we have pretty much the same idea of whatever we ended up doing there. So usually, like if there's a go to for like a travel buddy. It'll either be him or it's usually just solo on my own there. And I think it's good to travel solo first and then go with a buddy there because then you're used to because he's done quite a bit solo travel himself. And so I find that like I have no problem reaching out to other people, especially talking to locals, things like that and other travelers. But because of that solo travel, you know, when we traveled together, I find that we tend to attract like a bigger crowd there and then like the crowd starts to write and yeah, yeah, it's, it's really good. I love the vibe that that creates

Perye Bentley 24:42

there. Did you have any? What would you say is your free, most recommended places that you would tell anyone to get to from just boom, you've gone then you went this is this is life. Like

Trevor 24:59

yeah, you know I understand that the type of type of traveling I do isn't necessarily for everyone. But if you're looking like in terms of like just sheer adventure and like, wow, this is amazing. Oman is definitely up there. Wow. Okay. There's one moment that sticks out in my head specifically. And this is kind of my go to whenever anybody asked me, you know, what's the most amazing place you've ever been to? And there's tons of them. This is just kind of my go to answer for this. And there's one moment that sticks out in my head. What a sharp, it's this big, narrow river valley that you can hike up for 10s of kilometers. And I in a month beautiful, because you can also random cap anywhere in the country. As long as it's not cultivated land or somebody's backyard. So

Perye Bentley 25:56

oh, you can just random camp. Okay, so you can wow.

Trevor 26:00

is long. Yeah, as long as it's not somebody's backyard or Yeah, cultivated land. And so I remember like the end of the day, because it was freaking hot out that day to just setting up my tent, sitting down, kicking off my boots that I put my flip flops on. And there's this stream running through the middle of the valley. And I go down and just like, take a dip inside it. And it was like so cool, and so refreshing. And the whole base of it is line with deep palms. And then you have these beautiful reddish rocks like on the side juxtaposed against that, like beautiful colors. And nobody for miles like this whole place all to myself, like so that. I think that there stood out for me the most just in terms of like, a single moment where it's like this is paradise. Other than that, Guatemala, Guatemala. Specifically, hiking the Ekaterina angle volcano. It's a dormant volcano that sits right next to Flager, which is an active volcano.

Perye Bentley 27:12

Can you feel the heat underneath?

Trevor 27:16

Not on a cat tango? No, you'd actually have to go into Fliegl. For that, I'm pretty sure but I have been, I have been to volcanoes where you can feel data, such as Danny killed depression in Ethiopia, which is really, really cool to see. Although it's extremely caustic there, you can feel it scratching your lungs and all that stuff. So that's, that's what was so great about this. In Guatemala was on a cat tango. You're right next to the volcano, but you don't smell the sulfur or anything like that. And I remember the first day of the hike, we get to the camp, and we're shrouded in cloud. And then I hear this like, boom, boom, boom. And I don't really think much about it at first because I think we're, it's a thunderstorm that's next to us. And it took probably about maybe three or four times until I realized wait, no, that's actually the volcano. And then the clouds cleared and then as night fell. That's one and it was just awe inspiring. You could see the molten rock and pyroclastic flow just spew out the side and down the side of the mountain. Like yeah, I would definitely say within the top three to five experiences I've ever had. Wow. Yeah, and then the next morning, I mean, we didn't sleep that much that night because that volcano erupts maybe every 510 minutes or

Perye Bentley 28:47

so it keeps you on obviously visually it's must be stunning. But then obviously it keeps you on it keeps you on edge for the fact that you're not used to having a volcano near you.

Trevor 28:59

Yeah, I mean, you don't want to go to sleep that night either. You know, we're supposed to get up at I think it was like 2am or something like that for sunrise and you're just like I don't want to go to sleep this is incredible when when's the next time I'm gonna get to experience this So wow, yeah, that was definitely and then cool man

I think maybe just for the sheer adventure of it all, probably Kurdistan as well

Perye Bentley 29:36

focused on manual pulling out these like absolutely deep cuts right now. Like, most people go on the standard Vinci like no Kyrgyzstan, right. Here's here's something that happened here like so

Trevor 29:47

usually. Usually what I'll do is like, I'm always fascinated by places I know nothing about. So when I try and pick out a place, I'll look at a map and I'll see reach In our country, I'm like, you know, I really don't know anything about that place. And then I'll just do a little bit of light research and 10 times out of 10. It's like, this place is actually really freaking cool. Yeah. Go to there. So then. Yeah, usually the most limiting factors for me are like Visa entry, or entry requirements there. Especially as an airline pilot, I can't surrender my passport or anything like that. So the, you know, there's a lot of places that I'd love to go that are that I'm limited by that. So. But yeah, I'd say Kurdistan. My buddy and I, we spent a couple of weeks trekking through the Tianshan mountains in there. And it was kind of weird because we, like, it's very similar flora and fauna to the Canadian Rockies. Okay, so it had a very familiar feel to it. Right up until you come across farmers hurt in the valley there. Because it was the time of year where all the farmers had moved their flocks into the mountains to graze. So, and then you go into there, and, like the absolute most freshest baked flatbread, you'll ever have off, like a wood stove or campfire on there. And then all sorts of other things like horse milk, which tastes just God awful. It's the worst thing. Good.

Perye Bentley 31:32

How are the people? They're like, what what? How are they to you? Because obviously, it might my opinion, mate, you are, you are one of the true off grid travelers with your ability to literally go off your random camping, you've got, you know, your camping set. It's either you or you have your friend and you know, meeting these random people on the journeys as well. Like, how are you finding them? Are they are they friendly? Are they aggressive? Like what what have you found, as the consensus?

Trevor 32:01

Yeah, you know, it really depends like Kurdistan, for example. People are incredibly friendly. They're like, you'll almost never not be invited into a yurt if you're out in the mountains. They're in for some tea and, and bread or anything else like that. And people also just want to know, like, what you're doing, you're doing what you're doing here, right. There's other instances as well. Like, Somali. So the northern part of Somalia, it's called Somali land. It's sort of a breakaway state that's not officially recognized by anybody other than Taiwan. And when people think Somalia, they think Black Hawk Down, Right? And Somali land is just about anything, but it's it's a very stable region. And you cannot walk 15 meters down the street in park, Giza, the major city there without somebody stopping you, inviting you to sit down for tea, wanted to know who you are, what your deal is, you know, why are you here? Right? And it's, you know, a lot of other regions, especially more touristed regions, usually that conversation leads to a sales pitch or them trying to peddle you sauce. Yeah, of course. And that's just not the case here at all people are just have a genuine interest in wanting to talk to you. And that's a lot of places too. But I think especially Somaliland. There was one instance where I was walking through the souk through the Marketplace there. And there was a group of like, a kind of found myself in a sticky situation where there was like a group of elderly women shouting at me and like, pushing me around, and like, I'm trying to walk away, and then they like, blocked me and I'm like, Okay, well, what do I do? Right, I obviously don't want to push back that could lead to some problems,

Perye Bentley 34:08

or pull potentially.

Trevor 34:10

So then there was, but then there was a man who like, came in and, like, Here, come with me, and then sort of escorted me out of there. And that was that but you know, for the most part, you know, there's, I'd say solo travel, especially places that are you know, generally off the grid that's where you'll find the most friendly people who are actually are genuinely interested in want to make a connection.

Perye Bentley 34:34

Not I love that and you know, on that note, guys, it's really the biggest thing is when when you are solo traveling or traveling anywhere is again, we've said this before is you know the people that you meet can make or break a journey and if you are constantly focusing in your mind to be a good individual and you know, taking the culture, nine times out of 10 people are going to always welcome you with open arms. And you're always gonna get that bad every once in a while just throw that bad ache against the wall, because you know, then everyone can see how bad it smells.

Trevor 35:08

percent and you know, everybody all they all want the same thing, right? Everybody wants to be happy, healthy, they want their family to be happy and healthy, you know, regardless of, you know, what their governments or what governments or regime they're they're living under. And I think one thing that really a real poignant moment for me, actually was in Oman, and again, sitting down to dinner with a woman in Muscat. And she was telling me about her daughter, how her daughter was going to school in the US in Birmingham, Alabama. And she was so afraid for her daughter to go to the States because of violence. And I just thought that was so interesting, because prior just before I left for that trip, I had a couple of people say to me, do you know what the hell you go into Oman for? You know, what's the Middle East? It's dangerous, even though it's one of the most stable countries in the region. Right. And it really had me thinking, Okay, so here's to two people on opposite sides of the planet who are afraid of each other for absolutely no reason other than the fact that just what they've been exposed to in the media.

Perye Bentley 36:25

Oh, my. Well, I like that is a whole different thing that will travel, we may have to unpack the next time we talk.

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