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"5 Tips for a Successful Off-Grid Adventure: Insights from Luke, a Seasoned Traveller"

Updated: Jun 21, 2023

In this podcast interview, Luke shares his expertise and experiences on going off the grid, offering valuable advice for those planning their own adventures. Some key points include:

  • Thorough preparation, including researching the weather and potential issues at the destination, having cash on hand, and packing items that will make you comfortable

  • The importance of being able to trade, whether it be currency or other items

  • The benefits of stepping out of your comfort zone and embracing growth opportunities

  • Keeping calm and finding solutions in the event of a breakdown or unexpected situation

  • The value of observing and enjoying the natural beauty and vastness of being in a location with little pollution or distractions.

Transcription below:

Perye Bentley 0:00

Hey guys, and welcome to this episode of the off-grid traveller. Today we're going to be joined by Luke Pocock, who has travelled around Australia over six times with enough stories to fill a small country and why talking to the locals can make your trip a lifetime memory, and how going off the beaten track can show you the real behind the scenes of Australia, and why getting outside and seeing the stars will reset your brain and clean your lungs. And as always, we'd like to thank the sponsor of today's podcast, Dry Flush toilets. If you haven't seen these amazing off grid toilets, you really need to check them out. They're the cleanest, easiest smell free toilet that you've ever seen. And they recently won the Best New camping technology in Australia. No more dumping chemicals or maintaining a composting toilet. Go to to see how they work. Let's get travelling.

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Welcome to the off grid traveler podcast, where we meet the people who go off grid and into a life of adventure challenge and grand new horizons. Whether on land or on sea, you'll meet some fascinating characters who've chosen the road less traveled and discover their best tips, worst moments, favorite destinations, and a whole lot more.

Perye Bentley 1:13

Hey guys, welcome to the off grid traveler. Today we have Luke Luke pokok, who is with us all the way from Australia. He's actually from the UK originally and down the road from where I used to live, which is a it's a crazy coincidence. But the reason we brought Luke on today's that he has been traveling like a monster around Australia. He's been everywhere, every single nook and cranny. And so today, we'd love to have a chat with him get to learn a little bit more about where he's been his ups and downs. And really just his tips and tricks of the trade, you know, of traveling. Like it's good to have you with us, mate. No thanks. And thanks for the intro. It's always weird to hear that when someone else says about the traveling thing, because you don't see at that point that you're doing this big, wonderful thing. That's it? Yeah. Because you're living it right. And you don't think in the sense of out what I'm doing is something that someone else will be dreaming about continuously. And, you know, you've got all these people at the moment who are sitting indoors going I wish I had the opportunity to travel right? And do it every single day, or at least almost every single day, right? Oh, it's absolutely crazy. Like you said in m y introduction, originally from the UK near you.

Luke Pocock 2:35

I remember my schoolmate back then was his dream holiday was just to go to Australia. Yeah, not only have I migrated to Australia, but I've travelled around Australia, five or six times I've lost count how many times I've been around? How many

Perye Bentley 2:48

how many people do you think that have been in Australia their whole lives and have not left the town that they grew up in.

Luke Pocock 2:57

There's so many people. So many I, when I did my travels, and I went to these regional towns, and they were small, there was only two, maybe lucky three buildings in each area. And you talk to the locals and you're sitting in every regional town has a pub, which blows my mind when there's only five or six people that live in that area. And you're talking to them and they have not seen or anything outside of that. And having a pommy accent. Just I'll go into these and it blows their mind, everyone comes over to me and they want to chat and they want to talk and there's some interesting characters, I can tell you that.

Perye Bentley 3:36

So and that I've talked about this in past podcasts as well is that when you travel, the type of people that you meet on the road is like, you know, your stories are one step. But theirs is like that extra level of having that adventure themselves within that local region. And so you come back off of your travels, and you've got this whole pocket full of different stories, ideas, plans. And I just one of those things that's really stuck with me is that the stories that you meet and the people that you meet on your travels is is probably one of the highest points of traveling in general.

Luke Pocock 4:12

100% agree. When people don't realize they I was alone travel, I did it on my own, that people do it and they stick in their own little bubble, you need to talk to the locals of that area. Whether or not you understand their way of living the way they do it. Like I'm not from a farming background coming from London, but I met a lot of farmers and the stories that they have and the waking up at the crack of dawn getting done getting their stuff done, and just the way they live their life in those areas. Makes you opens your eyes up on how different the world is. Even though they could just be a few hours away. And you just go wow what a difference is living In that area is just insane. Yeah, definitely. If you are a traveler and you're listening to this and you're traveling, talk to the locals. Ultimately, I cannot say that enough talk to them. What's,

Perye Bentley 5:12

what was the what was the longest journey you've taken? Like? Because you what you do is you do, you're traveling for work. And so you get that there is that nice part where you're obviously getting paid to be able to go to these different locations, and you have a project or a plan that you're working on when you go to them. But what's the longest journey you've taken? And was it was did you have signal? What were the type of issues that you encountered along those routes?

Luke Pocock 5:41

So there's two sort of longest trips I've done, one being up in North Queensland and one being down in Victoria, I'll go for the Victoria one first year in Victoria. And what I didn't realize when I first did, it was how big Australia is. Okay. Coming from the UK, you can drive from the bottom to the top. Yeah, you really can. Yeah, and I was on I was driving for it was close to two weeks. And I was in one state of Australia. And I drove from one side, all the way to the top, all the way down the other side and everywhere in between, and then cut across. So I drove from one side of Victoria to the other side, back down and across again. So I touched all four sides. So that was a big, long, interesting trip. There's roads in between where you can see three different seasons on the same road, along the road. And being in Victoria, you can have snow in one area, drive all the way through, there'll be sun, and then you'll hear just masses of rain are then you pop out the other side of that back into the sun. And it's just wow. So

Perye Bentley 6:54

what you were saying about like it was a two week journey on in your intensity? Do you have like places that you're staying on the route? Or is it kind of a wing it or what what have you found has been the best approach.

Luke Pocock 7:08

So because mine was combination of work, there were certain destinations I had to be at, on certain times. I, I was lucky enough that I was able to space these out. So I had a couple of days in between so I could wing it in between. So it was a combination of winging it, and an actual itinerary of where I had to be.

Perye Bentley 7:29

Okay, so like having a goal location in it, like every X amount of kilometers miles sort of thing. And then between that you have not, let's not call it free time because you're still traveling, but you have the ability to move and see different areas as well. And yeah, okay, cool.

Luke Pocock 7:48

That's cool. So yeah, I would like when I was up in North Queensland, I started right at the very top, and I had to drive down and it was okay. On this day, I had to be in Townsville. And on this day, I had to be in charge as towers. And on this day, I had to be in MCI. So you have to do all this loop, and you have to get there. But I allowed myself enough space in between where I was able to get off the beaten track, because that's where you truly do find the beauty of behind the scenes of Australia. Yeah. Okay.

Perye Bentley 8:19

Because, like we were saying, like most people, they don't leave their towns. And so this is the really like, this is why we wanted to get Luke on here and have this conversation is that, like, Luke has seen things that probably most people have driven past 100 times 200 times and he's seen potential signs and gone like, what, what is that? And then you were talking to me about one particular that came

Luke Pocock 8:44

to mind recently ticular one that we spoke about was this place called the binder, the binder and I was driving, I was driving down from North Queensland, and I had some time up my sleeve and I said, You know what? I'm feeling pretty hungry. Let me let me go find a local town and go grab myself a pie or sausage roll. As he's driving down. I saw this sign the binder, and I went oh, let's let's see what that is. It must be a town Let's drive so far went off the beaten track. And in that please place a binder. There was a post office in a pie shop. So I've got myself my food. One tip, carry cash with you. Yeah. When you go to these regional areas, there's not much reception. They don't have F POS because the F POS companies charge him with fees and stuff like that, and they're not a big enough town to cover their costs of fees. So make sure you carry cash with you. It helps their businesses it helps them and it will help you you will not go hungry when you're in these areas. So I started with a binder I've got myself my pie and my sausage roll. And I stopped when I went you know what are you gonna find somewhere to eat. Now there was a little bench at the front of the store. I could have sat there and ate. I saw a sign two K's this way. But Binda boulders said what is that? It's a brown sign, which means it's a touristy look out type place. And those are the difference if you learn the colors of the signs, you know what ones to look for brown sign means tourist. No one here though. So anyway, if I go to a vendor boulders I pulled up by another car did a i It wasn't even a 200 meter walk. And this view was just phenomenal. This just clear water. It was almost like it was just a sheet of glass. It was dead steel. You can see straight to the bottom. I took my shoes off, rolled my pants up, put my feet in. And oh, my goodness and I my sausage roll my pie there.

Perye Bentley 10:39

And so this is the thing so it was was within the boulders? Is it? Is it a lake? Or is it on the seafront or because you were saying it's crystal clear waters? You there was literally no one there, right? There's an attraction sign that probably been everyone goes past and they don't bother even stopping. You've decided to go there. And you've just had, well a five star experience. Right? So yeah, was it a lake or

Luke Pocock 11:02

it was like a like a lake. And it also had like a current like a strain combat ran through it as well off the side. And they've got what's called Devil paws there. So it's got this, this natural slide. It's just a giant rock face with just this water that is smooth this rock over, I've seen so much. You can slide on it yourself and it's dead, smooth, the slide on it go into this, like Lake swim door stuff. absolutely crystal clear. There was no wildlife trying to eat you there like most things in Australia. And it was just beautiful. But there's devils paws. There's been a few deaths there and stuff like that over the years because people get washed away in the current news, it can get pretty strong. But it was just magnificent. And then my mind, I got a bit intrigued by this place and go what is it. And back in the war, a plane went down there. And the local Aboriginal people pulled the pilot this plane who survived and they helped him and treated him and stuff like that. So look, if you went further enough and dug further enough into bimbingan, the boulders, you'd probably find the plane still there.

Perye Bentley 12:16

That's crazy in it. And that just comes from you going okay, I have a little bit of time between, you know, location A and location B. And I'm gonna I'm hungry. And just thinking to yourself, well, what if I do go for a little bit further have a chat a walk, or, as you mentioned before, just ask the locals just ask the locals. Hey, by the way, what's good round here and nine times out of 10, they're going to tell you something that, well, there's always that one out of 10 that it could be absolutely terrible. And that doesn't happen. But nine times out of 10 It is amazing. It's something that you've you've never seen before. And you're going to come back with a memory that is going to last you a lifetime because you said to me that you recommend the boulders to literally everyone now And

Luke Pocock 13:06

absolutely, yeah. My next door neighbor goes to North Queensland every year. And not until I went to this babinda boulders I mentioned to him said you need to go but then the boulders is what is that? Showed him on the phone and stuff like that he changed his trip. He took that he's got a drone, he took his drone. And now he goes back there every year. Right. That's how amazed he was by it. And it's not touched by lots of tourists. And that's why it is so special. And that's why when you do go off the beaten track there, where it's not a tourist hotspot where there's 1000s of people, it becomes just so naturally amazing. And wow in

Perye Bentley 13:46

Yeah, yeah, you're basically one of the first people to go there. In a couple years. Maybe you're like the last five years. And or one of 100 people and that's the thing, like you were saying with Australia being so big. There are so many places so many that people have probably just completely forgotten about. And like you know, if for anyone who is looking to go off grid, like start in your backyard, like have a look online and just see what are the attractions or you know, local attractions, which maybe you know, aren't on a theme park. Like go go for the ones which are maybe something where you you there might be a little bit of danger involved like you're saying about the currents like don't get me wrong, don't go swimming if you can't swim, but you know, go check them out because it's it's incredible. Even England, right? The thing is, England's tiny but there are so many little country roads you can pop off of, and then you found a castle that no one's seen in, you know, 50 years or something like that. It's amazing.

Luke Pocock 14:50

Yep. And, like, combine the new with the old, go off grid, find these places. And then when you come back and you've got service Everyone's got a mobile phone in their pocket, Google the place and you will find information which will blow your mind like that's what I did. And I failed. It was found a warplane went down that area and the local Aboriginal people helped it and stuff like that. There's a story behind it as well. It's not just a little place there's an actual story same as like you said in the UK, you find this castle, Google it, you will find there will be some sort of significant story with that place the Battle of Hastings you don't just find these places by chance. There is something that has happened in this place in the past, and you will find out amazing things about this place.

Perye Bentley 15:34

This is a CMA. I love that. And you were mentioning earlier about always carrying cash with you. And this is a really important so in your in your mindset, what are the what are the things that you find are an important part of your integrity, due to experience and just doing your research beforehand?

Luke Pocock 15:55

There's been a few things that's happened have another one up in North Queensland cyclone season, cyclones come through, make sure that when you are going to go to these areas, check weather type things I didn't think of that as like cyclones. Like, I don't care for rain, snow, that minor weathers things you wouldn't go to Florida in hurricane season. No, you're not going to go out there in cyclone season. Keep an eye on that. I I was lucky enough that when I was up there, I was up there for a couple of days. I was just about to head out into the into the regional partner of Queensland I got a phone call from someone who works and turn around gets yourself to Cannes airport park your car that was there, park your car you're gonna go back there later get on the plane. There's a cycling come in. So I was fortunate enough for that. Because being parked on the side of the road in the caravan or in a car campervan or something like that, and a cyclone hits or you're not gonna you're not gonna like it.

Perye Bentley 16:55

Yeah, yeah. So. So step one, do your do your prep, like figure out what what's the weather, what's the location you going? Are there? Like they are there problems that are going to happen during that?

Luke Pocock 17:09

Yeah, significant weather events. Don't go there and go, Oh, I'm gonna get rained on. Yeah, you're off the grid anyway. significant weather, cyclones, hurricanes. If you go into the Middle East sandstorms, you know, that sort of things. Check out for that stuff. have cash on you. Number one, you don't need much cash because you can get in between. But I'm thinking anywhere between 102 $100 is gonna keep you out of trouble. Just cash so you don't need a huge amount. That's enough to get you get you a drink, get your sausage roll and get you from A to B.

Perye Bentley 17:49

Yeah. I'm a big believer like, I live in I live in South Korea and everything's gone card now is as it has pretty much in the world, right? But I always, always keep cash in my wallet. Because I know the value of cash. I know the value of it. I know how useful it can be, especially when you're off the beaten track. And I was speaking to a gentleman before called MC who was traveling on a catamaran around Indonesia. And he was saying how it's also good to have something to trade and it comes down to the same thing if you're an Aussie money's going to be king, right? But it's the same thing that if you've got stuff to trade that you're able to like swap for resources. It is literally one of the most important things that can not only build a relationship with someone but make sure that you're not caught with your tax down. Yes, absolutely.

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Luke Pocock 19:37

I just recently went to Dubai. Now that wasn't a off the grid holiday. No, we lived it up five stars everything. best restaurants stuff like that. Mix. Like I said mix the good with the bad, do both you can get an opportunity. And I had some Australian cash in my wallet and I went to old Dubai into the markets and I had some Australian cash in my wallet and They were more interested in, I had to buy dollars. And I had Australian, they were more interested in me purchasing something with Australian cash rather than the local Durham.

Perye Bentley 20:15

And that makes you think, okay, so it's like, okay, if I pay them with the AUD, right, I get, I'm potentially paying more, because they get that value from it, but then you're not having to do an exchange rate. So is it actually better for you just to carry the AUD?

Luke Pocock 20:35

And it just blows your mind? But that goes back to what you say with something to trade? Yeah, that did that. Was that a currency to them? Or was that oh, I want some Australian money to take home and show my family.

Perye Bentley 20:48

And on Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's really funny to think. And so another tip there on top of the money tip is have over 50 different types of currency.

Luke Pocock 21:00

Because someone might have 50 different types of currency, go for it. Yes. There's some regional pubs that I've been to in Australia, they will take take one of your notes, just give us a note pay doesn't matter how much it's worth, give us a note and they pin it up on the wall. Yeah, there's a whole wall of nodes. And you see that in movies. And you see that in real life. And you see that on TV shows. And it's an actual thing. Just give us a note. We'll just pin it on the wall. Yeah, I

Perye Bentley 21:25

think there's a there's a there's a bar down down here as well. That is exactly the same thing. And I, I believe if you give them a No, they'll give you a couple free drinks, because it's the the novelty of the fact that I've got a I've got a pound coin there or like, I wouldn't, I wouldn't. I wouldn't try to put a pound coin on the wall. But, like, five pound note or something. Yeah, no, that's cool. That's really cool, man. I like that. So what you mentioned, obviously, the the boulders, which is a really kind of moment that stuck in your head. What would you say is a really low point of traveling something that does grind on you sometimes you've had, it's happened more than once, maybe?

Luke Pocock 22:09

Sometimes driving in Australia, it's a big place. Yeah, you really need to I've, I've sat in the car, and I'm driving across the middle of Central Queensland. And my GPS is literally it's a straight road, there's nothing around, nothing from nothing behind. No other cars, no nothing. And your GPS says in 256 kilometers, stay straight. And you'd literally, I drove for like 400 Odd kilometers, with nothing, nothing to see just just dead grass either side. And those things can grind on you in between. And it was literally just mind numbing, that those drives, so you'd need to stay focused on the either end going there is something on the other end of this and I will see something. So when you do get to those points where because it's literally there is nothing because it's just Central Queensland, just major cattle. That is there's nothing there is nothing off the beaten track, because everything is that brass around you. So those types of things can be quite mind numbing. And you're on your own just sitting there. Right? You lose reception so you don't get your, your Spotify or your podcasts or any of that to listen to, because you've got no reception. So you try and tune into a local radio station. You're lucky if you get an FM radio station. So you got you got to go back I don't Is it am the am yeah, you got to try and find am station and hopefully you hear something. So if possible, I learned this after the first time we're doing that download and save it to your phone. Firstly, you're not relying on it. So yes, you can like music on your Spotify and you can like that, but you still need to log into Spotify. Download the music if you can download some songs you go right I know that I'm going to be driving for possible three hours of anything. I'm going to download an ebook which is four or five hours long uncovered. I can listen to that while driving

Perye Bentley 24:21

and this podcast make sure you download that as well because that's really important.

Luke Pocock 24:26

Absolutely no need to add beautiful voices to keep your mood up.

Perye Bentley 24:30

Keep on going guys we know you've only got four more hours keep on going. No but that's that's really, really important is that we've become so used to technology around us. And we do forget that sometimes you go into these areas which have minimal signal. And so doing a little bit of prep of downloading and just having something as a back that even if it means you've got a cassette tape in the back and you're you're knocking off some of the old school drum and bass or whatever you want. Listen to just just make sure that you've got something there to keep your brain functioning. And, you know, I'm a big fan of when I'm when I'm walking or traveling, is that like sometimes, you know, without hands? Do a hands free and have a call with someone. Right? And, you know, yeah, it's always good to have a mate that you're able to chat about anything really. But those times when you literally can't talk to them, there's no opportunity just have something to keep the brain moving.

Luke Pocock 25:28

Yes, I'd like you can't You're literally these roads in Australia are nothing. You can't even play a game of how many with yourself? Because there is nothing. So is my little lie? Nothing.

Perye Bentley 25:47

dead grass, that grass. But then on the flip side of that, because and I don't know, because obviously, you've done this so much that it might have it might have worn down in the mind a little bit regarding but does the feeling of being around absolutely nothing. I was speaking to someone who went to the centre of Australia recently. And they mentioned how there was so much nothing that it makes you feel really small in comparison to the great world. And it's kind of a big feeling in your mind. Does that make sense? Yes.

Luke Pocock 26:22

Yeah, yeah, it makes sense. Like, you go to these tourist spots, like I mentioned, Dubai, there's 1000s of people around and you're in that hustle and bustle, and there's just so much going on that you don't think outside of what's currently going on around you. But you go to this area where there is nothing. And it's almost surreal. And it's almost like a mind out of body experience. Because you sit back and there's nothing you just see this, this big, untouched area and you go, wow, we are in a big world where there is a lot of stuff going on. And it just sort of takes you out of that. The body experience like you say, it's just like, wow, this is bigger. But when you're in a crowded place, you don't feel like you're in such a big area because you're in such a crowded and me.

Perye Bentley 27:10

Yeah. And because I'm I'm from the city originally right so the hustle and bustle like yourself, it's part of my brain. I love that. But you sometimes you really need to get out of that and just go for a free four hour drive somewhere and just try it like you know anyone who's in Ozzy who has the ability to go out into the the the boons get yourself look at a map, find where the furthest town is that you could do maybe in five hours or a day trip, potentially, or even a night overnight trip, and just go there. Go there. So you know, go and experience that complete out of body experience for a bit, go chill out, find some random adventures around the area, and have yourself a sausage roll. You know.

Luke Pocock 28:00

The other thing you can do as well, which people don't realize is what I did. Someone told me about this, I was I would never have done it. When you go to these areas where there isn't a city. What, where there isn't a city there? What is reduces light pollution from the city. Yes, light pollution damages the damages disk by night, go to this regional town, look up this cause and are amazing. It's never the stars are so bright, the moons there you it's a different experience. If you go into a city and look at the sky, it's very different. If you go into a regional area and look at the sky. It's so important it will feel like nothing as your speck in this universe of nothingness.

Perye Bentley 28:46

And to play on that as well is that like, you know, when when I was living in Thailand, so we used to go out to the jungle because I had friends like Thai friends who like had camps in the jungle. And literally as you're saying it you look up and there's so many stars there's so many that you realize how how much pollution there actually is in the city, not just the smell not just the sound not just the light, but just getting back to nature and spending 24 hours 48 hours in something like that can actually reset your brain a bit. And yes, I think that's something that everyone should do at least a couple times a year.

Luke Pocock 29:29

Yep, couldn't agree more with you and other things like we said about the space like you said you just mentioned then pollution when I go to these regional areas and I'm driving between towns and there's nothing aircon off one windows down are lit the air hit you in the face. It's a different air. Yeah,

Perye Bentley 29:48

yeah. Do you do you ever check like have you ever checked the H UI difference between let's say the city or like when you're out in the boons and because like, I know that some places were When you check on the AKI system, it'd be like one one air pollution compared to like 35 or 45 million per, you know, parts per square meter. Have you have you ever actually checked that and seen what now

Luke Pocock 30:11

I've never checked that sort of done one windows and smell school. Interesting. But if I was to look now if I go on the AQR and I look back, now there is I've been to and compare the areas that I've been to with, with the cities on how different it would be, that would be quite interesting. Yeah, that's a good recommendation.

Perye Bentley 30:34

No, I think I think that's a really it's a cold call. I did. Like I love the fact though, that you've not even had to think about that. And you know, you're just going, then you're like, everything just feels better. Like, I feel like I could go for a run and like, it's not going to affect you because you're just getting oxygenated. Like, I think that's a really important thing as well is that people don't realize is that when you go out to these areas where there's no pollution, you breathe so much better. Your brain works better. You feel better, within like a split second.

Luke Pocock 31:04

Yes. 100%. And that's why I say, turn your aircon off, open the windows and let it in. Yeah, like I've been in some places, it's 45 degrees Celsius. But still open windows, but the air in there. It's breathe it in. Take full. Take the full experience in. When you're out there. If it's raining, go for a walk in the rain. It's a different rain.

Perye Bentley 31:30

It's a different way, as long as it doesn't say on the acid rain.

Luke Pocock 31:37

I'm not sure you're gonna get much acid rain out there. Just say you're in a place where there's acid rain, I would recommend staying indoors all times.

Perye Bentley 31:46

Go out. It sounds that sounds a bit naughty to me. So you know what would be your your recommended travel kit that you normally take when you when you're traveling from place to place because obviously, you're going to have some shirts and a bit of gear with you. We've talked about the mini essentials that you've said but what's what's kind of just like a day pack for you or a week pack, what would you normally take with you?

Luke Pocock 32:10

Water Yep, always have water on you. Little those little glucose Energy Shots, just in case you are going decide that you go off the beaten track. I'm gonna go for a walk up this mountainside night, make sure you got someone like that because they might not be a local shop close by. And if they are, they're not the healthiest stores. They're just a pie shop. So make sure you've got something like that with you just to keep you your head above water in that situation. A change of clothes 100% to make sure that you if you do get rained on or you decide you want to go for a swim or any of that stuff. Make sure you've definitely got at least one change of clothes. Look, people go down the path of a first aid kit. Okay. Yeah, I never did. Never, never have I've been in a situation where I've needed a four first aid kit. Take a couple of items if you want to be cautious in that situation. Mine are the essentials. Okay, a change of undies. Yeah, water. A decent pair of clothes shoes. Yeah. A lot of people in Australia get around with just what's what I call flip flops decor thongs? thongs. Yep. Very different. If you're in England, so Australia.

Perye Bentley 33:24

First time I heard it may that that completely blew my mind. Like I was in Southeast Asia. And this guy said, Yeah, I'll just put on a pair of thongs and I was like, like, What did you say? Are you are you? Is this Are you good? Like

Luke Pocock 33:39

no only wearing one you got to wear two power to him. Yeah, so basically that's it. Mm hmm. Just the absolute bare minimum there is no need to pack all that stuff. So like it's so it's so far away, but so close to a town that you only need the minimum you don't need to have all that stuff. You don't need to bog yourself down with all that. If you're going to be off the track for a couple of days. A little gas stove. You can buy in from the local shop for 50 to 100 bucks if you're going to cook some stuff a lot iski little fridge or something like that. But it depends it purely comes down to your preference. How prepared you want to be if you're a worrier when you come to that things. I'm I'm not someone who worries that I'm going to get hurt. I've I've scuba dive with sharks without a cage. I've I've done a crocodile swim up in Northern Territory. skydiving, all that stuff. I'm not a worrier when it comes to getting hurt. So I didn't go down the path of first aid kits and what if this happens what if I break my arm? Yeah, some people are that so it comes down to your personal preference, but pack what makes you feel comfortable? I don't the worst thing to be is to go on the road and worry and feel uncomfortable that you don't have something that makes you feel uncomfortable because it's gonna run out in your experience. That's right. So it comes down to your preference pack, what makes you feel comfortable for your trip?

Perye Bentley 35:12

Yeah, that may. And that is a really, really important thing there is if you're going to feel uncomfortable on the job, and there's a two parts of that, if you're going to feel uncomfortable in the journey, because you're not brought it, get it. The second part is, if this is kind of your first trip, or, you know, you're in the middle of going out there and you're feeling uncomfortable and nervous before you go on the trip, that's okay, because that normally means that growth is about to happen as well. Yes. Because the and it's really important to understand the difference between anxiety and the potential growth that you're coming out of your comfort zone. Yes, and people will mix those up massively, massively.

Luke Pocock 35:50

If you just don't worry, like, I'm not gonna need that first aid kit, or am I gonna need that? What? What happens if I get bitten by a snake or something like that? People worry about that. Get yourself a first aid kit. hundreds if not, don't worry about those things. Those you don't have to worry, worry, like you said, worry about the growth, like get that hit that anxiety like, oh, what's going to happen here? Not Have I got water? Have I got food? Have I got this? Those shouldn't even be on your list of worries. And that's what you said the difference between your growth and your anxiety type things? Yeah. Yeah, like you said that there is no singular thing that you can pack. There is no itinerary of stuff and stuff you can pack. Pack, what makes you feel comfortable to travel in that situation on where you are going? Everywhere is different. Everywhere changes. It depends on the weather, whether you're gonna be in zero degrees or in 40 degree heats. It's pack what makes you comfortable, is the most impressive advice I can give

Perye Bentley 36:50

you is you've got to hear it. Luke said that, like he wants you to understand that is super important because it is but then on the side of that, have you ever broken down on the road? Yes. What how do you deal with that?

Luke Pocock 37:09

Keep calm, okay, if you if you don't keep calm in that situation, you're gonna cause yourself more problems. If you get out the car, you're broken down you panic, mine was a simple one was just an overheat. So it was simple. It was a busted radiator. If you panic, if I got out of the car panicking, because there's steam coming out of the car, oh my God, what's going on, I'm gonna think there's a million things wrong. Relax, turn the car off, sit there for a while, let the car settle, then restart the car. That type of things. Just if you panic you're going for you're gonna put so many more problems in your mind blown head gasket, or the exhaust is falling off steam coming out. I've done this. Mine was a simple radiator. So I was then able to just top the car up with some water. It was my own drinking water because I knew I had to get to a destination. I pulled out an old school map, they because you don't have reception at every place is an old school map nearest town there, I'm going there. Someone their local station will be able to help me plug a radiator hole until I can get to somewhere where I can fix it myself. And you just do it like mine. I just had to do small drives, not to let the car overheat, stop, pause for a bit, go again, pause for a bit. Go again. So that was it. And if I panicked, I was I must get to that town to fix that bug in my car up long term. And I could have got stuck somewhere else and just keep calm.

Perye Bentley 38:39

When when you're when you're on that route. Like let's say for instance, that the car breaks down. You've got a distance to go. What's the likeliness that you'll see someone else on that route. In that day it you see cars drive by

Luke Pocock 38:57

occasionally you do. Funny story. I'll go into that one in a moment. Yes, you do see cars and you can regional areas versus a metro area. It's easier to get help in a regional area, then metro area, and there's no one there.

Perye Bentley 39:18

That's so crazy, isn't it that that the more people there are, the less likely someone will come in.

Luke Pocock 39:25

Absolutely. I was I was driving. This is my findings that I was driving. And it was straight road. Nothing on the road, no other cars. And I was in my car and look, I was being a little naughty. I was speeding. I didn't realize I was speeding. My foot was just down. I was going it was a dead straight road. No one around. I was doing 130 in 110 zone 20 Kay's over, but I didn't. I didn't think of it. I wasn't looking at my arm out the window and I was just breathing and just relaxing. I was cruising along. One girl came past me. I waved to him as you do and I make as you go through his regional towns happens to be a police officer, the only other car on the road. Anyway, he turned around, he put his sirens on, I pulled over. He goes, mate, you know why I pulled you over? I said, Look, to be honest. It's probably because I was speeding because when I waved to you and I saw you as a police officer, it made me look at my speedo, and I was speeding. And he goes, Look, just just get where you're going safely. Just keep it under everything will be alright. Don't worry about it. Two weeks later, I was I shook his hand, he let me off the hook. But that's it. Two weeks later, I got home. I had a speeding fine and my letterbox

Perye Bentley 40:38

he got yesterday. He just he was too nice to give you on the spot on the spot.

Luke Pocock 40:43

He was so nice. And he sent me one. Oh, I cussed a few words when I saw it and I go back and I see him on the road again. I'm gonna have words of him.

Perye Bentley 40:54

That's so funny. And but that that that circumvents into another thing is that these these local regions, the people there are lovely. Well, they they can be obviously you can get characters everywhere. But you know, you I'm sure that you like you said you go to these pubs. Everyone wants to talk to you, you have these really good conversation. You can make lifetime friends with some of these people within split seconds just because of that, that that difference between a metropolitan area and and these local areas, right?

Luke Pocock 41:25

Yes, metropolitan areas. Everyone's head is too far stuck in their own mobile phones. Yes, the regional areas they want to talk old school to you and they want to talk to you and chat to you and have a Where are you from? Why What makes why you come through this area for Yeah, why are you here? We don't see people.

Perye Bentley 41:44

Who are you?

Luke Pocock 41:45

Yeah, so I want to talk and then with with an English accent, it opens up this however, vanilla. Oh, is English person here.

Perye Bentley 41:53

Come to take over the country.

Luke Pocock 41:58

Was you a convict?

Perye Bentley 42:01

Yeah, just a late one.

Luke Pocock 42:03

Those are the questions I get. Ah, are you a 10 pound POM? Or was your a convict is like now was your family convicts. Now?

Perye Bentley 42:12

Is that a question that gets asked a lot. That's quite funny in it.

Luke Pocock 42:15

Yeah. Yeah. Because it's the I don't know what it is. But Australia and England, they have this rivalry. The novice the cricket, or the barmy army versus Australians. They just had this thing were called palms prisoner of Mother England. And that's just what it is. Yeah,

Perye Bentley 42:33

but guys, I wanted to say, Luke, thank you so much for the opportunity to chat and really just delve into your experiences, your your tips, your your hot, you know, moments that have happened in that. And you know, anyone who has been listening, I really want you to understand that. Like, it's not, it seems scary at first. But if you're prepped and engineer, you've got the stuff that makes you feel comfortable to go on these trips, you know, around Australia, or around the world, you're going to have the best time of your life, the best time of your life.

Luke Pocock 43:09

Yeah. Thanks for having me on here. And like you said, again, that number one tip, you'd be comfortable with what you've got for where you're going. Now, I want to tell you what you should or shouldn't take be comfortable with yourself.

Perye Bentley 43:22

Exactly. And on that note, guys, thank you so much. I hope you've enjoyed this awesome podcast with Luke and yeah, keep on traveling. Cheers, guys.

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